How do I modify plane waves to represent the EM field of a lightbulb?

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To modify plane waves for the electromagnetic field of a lightbulb, focus on the x-direction as the propagation axis, simplifying the equations to one dimension. The relationship between irradiance and electric field amplitude should be expressed as I = (1/μ0)(E0^2)/c, where E0 is the electric field amplitude. It's essential to adjust the amplitude to account for distance from the light source, indicating that the field strength diminishes as one moves away. The problem does not require full three-dimensional equations, but rather a modified approach to plane waves that reflects the lightbulb's characteristics. Ultimately, the final equations should incorporate these adjustments for accurate representation.
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Homework Statement
Part c
Relevant Equations
B=Bocos(k•r±⍵t)
E=Eocos(k•r±⍵t)
Irradiance=P/A
I don't know where to start for part (c), I've managed to get (a) and (b).
Can someone simply guide me, I think I'm having trouble understanding what the teacher means by just having an x dependance...
Does this mean I only work with the x components of the magnetic field and the electric field? What about the direction fo propagation?
 

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e101101 said:
Homework Statement: Part c
Homework Equations: B=Bocos(k•r±⍵t)
E=Eocos(k•r±⍵t)
Irradiance=P/A

I don't know where to start for part (c), I've managed to get (a) and (b).
What is the relationship between irradiance*, I, and the electric field amplitude (by that I mean the electric field amplitude is the E_0 in your E = E_0 \cos(kr \pm \omega t) equation [Note: that equation, as it stands, doesn't apply to this problem. You'll have to modify it a little to apply to this problem])?

In this problem, the irradiance is a function of distance from the light source. What is the relationship between irradiance and distance, in this problem?

Now, based on the above, what is the relationship between the electric field amplitude and distance from the light source?

*(here I'm assuming that "irradiance" is synonymous with "intensity.")

Can someone simply guide me, I think I'm having trouble understanding what the teacher means by just having an x dependance...
Does this mean I only work with the x components of the magnetic field and the electric field? What about the direction fo propagation?
I'm pretty sure it just means that you don't need to worry about forming equations in 3-dimensions for all space. Just concentrate on a single direction (specifically, that direction being the x-axis).

The direction of propagation is the x-axis. So all you need to do is determine E and B as measured along the x-axis.
 
Also, I don't think the problem is asking for the actual directions of the electric and magnetic field vectors. It's assumed that \vec E and \vec B are perpendicular to each other, and both are perpendicular to the direction of wave propagation.

Rather, I think the problem is just asking you to find the magnitudes of E and B, as a function of distance from the light source.
 
collinsmark said:
What is the relationship between irradiance*, I, and the electric field amplitude (by that I mean the electric field amplitude is the E_0 in your E = E_0 \cos(kr \pm \omega t) equation [Note: that equation, as it stands, doesn't apply to this problem. You'll have to modify it a little to apply to this problem])?

In this problem, the irradiance is a function of distance from the light source. What is the relationship between irradiance and distance, in this problem?

Now, based on the above, what is the relationship between the electric field amplitude and distance from the light source?

*(here I'm assuming that "irradiance" is synonymous with "intensity.")I'm pretty sure it just means that you don't need to worry about forming equations in 3-dimensions for all space. Just concentrate on a single direction (specifically, that direction being the x-axis).

The direction of propagation is the x-axis. So all you need to do is determine E and B as measured along the x-axis.

Thank you so much for your reply!
Would I have to consider spherical waves in this problem? Or can I simply treat them as plane waves moving in the x direction (because of the conditions given in the problem).

If I can treat it as a planar wave i would write an equation like:
Ex=Eo(kx±⍵t)

The relationship between irradiance and the amplitudes would be: (1/μ0)(BoEo)
and since Bo=Eo/c
we can rewrite as (1/μ0)(Eo**2)/c
 
e101101 said:
Thank you so much for your reply!
Would I have to consider spherical waves in this problem? Or can I simply treat them as plane waves moving in the x direction (because of the conditions given in the problem).

If I can treat it as a planar wave i would write an equation like:
Ex=Eo(kx±⍵t)

The relationship between irradiance and the amplitudes would be: (1/μ0)(BoEo)
and since Bo=Eo/c
we can rewrite as (1/μ0)(Eo**2)/c
Your final answers will be something sort of like plane waves, but not exactly like plane waves. In other words, modify your

E = E_0 \cos (kr \pm \omega t)
B = B_0 \cos (kr \pm \omega t)

equations such that the (a) amplitude falls off appropriately as a function of distance and (b) instead of using the constants E_0 and B_0 use some other expressions that relate to a 80 W light bulb at 50% efficiency.
 
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