How Do You Calculate Velocity on an Elliptical Path at a Specific Point?

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The problem involves calculating the velocity of a point moving along an elliptical path at a specific coordinate, given a constant speed of a link. The context is rooted in the study of motion along curves, particularly focusing on elliptical geometry.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to differentiate the equation of the ellipse to find the radius of curvature and is uncertain about the correctness of this approach. Other participants suggest alternative methods involving angles and trigonometric relationships, questioning the effectiveness of the original poster's method.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different methods to approach the problem, with some suggesting that calculating the radius of curvature may not be necessary. There is a noted discrepancy in results from different methods, prompting further examination of the calculations and assumptions involved.

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There is a reference to a specific example from a textbook that yields a different velocity result, raising questions about the validity of the proposed methods. The discussion also highlights the need to accurately determine the position on the ellipse and the corresponding angle for calculations.

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Homework Statement



There is an elliptical path and pegs A and B are restricted to move around it. If the link moves with a constant speed of 10m/s, determine the magnitude of velocity when x=0.6m

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Homework Equations



\frac{x^2}{4}+y2=1

\rho=\frac{(1+(\frac{dy}{dx})^2)^\frac{3}{2}}{\left|\frac{dy}{dx}\right|}

a=\frac{dv}{dt} \vec{e}t+\frac{v^2}{\rho} \vec{e}n

Where \rho is the radius of curvature.

The Attempt at a Solution



I rearranged \frac{x^2}{4}+y2=1 to get x2+4y2=4

I then differentiated this to get: \frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{-x}{4y} and \frac{d^2y}{dx^2}=\frac{(x/y)-1}{4y}

Using x=0.6m, y=\sqrt{0.91}=0.9539

By substituting this into the derivative and second derivatives and then putting these into the radius of curvature equation, I found the radius of curvature. However I am not sure if this is the correct way to do it. Also once I have the radius of curvature, how do I find the velocity?

Thanks!
 
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Υou need not calculate the radius of curvature.
When x = 0.6m find y using the equation of ellipse. If O is the center of the ellipse, find the angle AOC. Then the velocity of A at that position is v*sinθ
 
That doesn't work. I have an example in my book with x=1.0m and hence y=sqrt(0.75). They give v=10.4m/s, however your method gives v=6.55m/s.
 
To find the angle, find the slope tanθ = dy/dx at x = 0.6 m, and then proceed.
 

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