How Do You Calculate Velocity on an Elliptical Path at a Specific Point?

  • Thread starter Thread starter pollytree
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Ellipse Motion
AI Thread Summary
To calculate the velocity on an elliptical path at a specific point, first determine the corresponding y-coordinate using the ellipse equation. The angle AOC can be found by calculating the slope (tanθ) from the derivative dy/dx at x = 0.6m. The velocity at that position is then given by the formula v*sinθ. A discrepancy arises when comparing results, as a previous example yields a different velocity than the current method suggests. The discussion emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the angle and slope to derive the accurate velocity.
pollytree
Messages
14
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



There is an elliptical path and pegs A and B are restricted to move around it. If the link moves with a constant speed of 10m/s, determine the magnitude of velocity when x=0.6m

[PLAIN]http://users.adam.com.au/shortround/Prob.12-78.jpg

Homework Equations



\frac{x^2}{4}+y2=1

\rho=\frac{(1+(\frac{dy}{dx})^2)^\frac{3}{2}}{\left|\frac{dy}{dx}\right|}

a=\frac{dv}{dt} \vec{e}t+\frac{v^2}{\rho} \vec{e}n

Where \rho is the radius of curvature.

The Attempt at a Solution



I rearranged \frac{x^2}{4}+y2=1 to get x2+4y2=4

I then differentiated this to get: \frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{-x}{4y} and \frac{d^2y}{dx^2}=\frac{(x/y)-1}{4y}

Using x=0.6m, y=\sqrt{0.91}=0.9539

By substituting this into the derivative and second derivatives and then putting these into the radius of curvature equation, I found the radius of curvature. However I am not sure if this is the correct way to do it. Also once I have the radius of curvature, how do I find the velocity?

Thanks!
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
Υou need not calculate the radius of curvature.
When x = 0.6m find y using the equation of ellipse. If O is the center of the ellipse, find the angle AOC. Then the velocity of A at that position is v*sinθ
 
That doesn't work. I have an example in my book with x=1.0m and hence y=sqrt(0.75). They give v=10.4m/s, however your method gives v=6.55m/s.
 
To find the angle, find the slope tanθ = dy/dx at x = 0.6 m, and then proceed.
 
Thread 'Variable mass system : water sprayed into a moving container'
Starting with the mass considerations #m(t)# is mass of water #M_{c}# mass of container and #M(t)# mass of total system $$M(t) = M_{C} + m(t)$$ $$\Rightarrow \frac{dM(t)}{dt} = \frac{dm(t)}{dt}$$ $$P_i = Mv + u \, dm$$ $$P_f = (M + dm)(v + dv)$$ $$\Delta P = M \, dv + (v - u) \, dm$$ $$F = \frac{dP}{dt} = M \frac{dv}{dt} + (v - u) \frac{dm}{dt}$$ $$F = u \frac{dm}{dt} = \rho A u^2$$ from conservation of momentum , the cannon recoils with the same force which it applies. $$\quad \frac{dm}{dt}...
Back
Top