How Do You Find the Equivalent Resistance in This Circuit?

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The discussion revolves around finding the equivalent resistance between two points, A and B, in a given circuit. Participants explore various methods of combining resistors in series and parallel configurations, addressing challenges and misunderstandings in the calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their attempts to calculate the equivalent resistance but consistently arrives at an incorrect answer.
  • Another suggests a step-by-step approach to reduce the network by combining resistors, starting with the top right resistors in parallel.
  • A question is raised about whether the top two resistors are in parallel with the bottom two resistors.
  • A participant proposes visualizing the circuit differently to clarify the connections and reduction process.
  • One participant shares their calculations for the equivalent resistance but notes a discrepancy with the expected answer.
  • Another participant corrects the calculation sequence, indicating that the 19.09-ohm resistance should be in series with the 7-ohm resistor, which is then in parallel with the 21-ohm resistor.
  • A clarification is provided regarding the definition of parallel connections, emphasizing the need for elements to connect to the same two nodes.
  • One participant suggests that redrawing the circuit can help alleviate confusion and improve understanding.

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Participants express differing views on the configuration of resistors and the correct sequence of calculations. There is no consensus on the correct approach to finding the equivalent resistance, as misunderstandings about the circuit layout persist.

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Some participants may have missing assumptions about the circuit layout, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the calculations presented.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals studying circuit analysis, particularly those interested in understanding resistor combinations and equivalent resistance calculations.

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Hi,

I have the following circuit:
[PLAIN]http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9694/parallel.png

I need to find the equivalent resistance between the points A and B.

I have tried several ways, but no matter how i try to combine them i always end up with the wrong answer.

/James
 
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You can step by step reduce the network by combining two resistors at a time into one replacement resistance using either a serial or parallel connection. As a start you can for instance reduce the two top right resistances with one using a parallel connection. After three more reductions you are left with only one resistance between A and B, which is the equivalent resistance of the network.
 
Are the top two resistors then parallel with the bottom two resistors?
 
Indirectly, yes. If you have trouble visualizing the structure of the network, then try make a sketch of the same network but with A to the left and B to the right (or top and bottom). It should hopefully then be more obvious that you initially can make two independent parallel reductions, and after those a serial reduction and then finally a parallel reduction.
 
Hi,

So i tried
\frac{35\cdot42}{35+42} = 19.09

\frac{70*30}{70+30} = 21

\frac{21*19.09}{21+19.09} = 9.999

And finally \frac{9.999*7}{9.999+7} = 4.11

But the correct answer is supposed to be 11.635 ohm

Any ideas?
 
You need 19.09 in series with 7, then that combination in parallel with 21
 
The Electrician said:
You need 19.09 in series with 7, then that combination in parallel with 21

ok, to me it looked like the 7 ohm resistor was in parallel with the rest.
 
When two elements are in parallel, one element is connected to the same two nodes as the other element. In your circuit, the 35-ohm and 42-ohm resistors are both connected to node A, and their other ends are connected together at the top. Therefore, they are in parallel. Similarly, the 70-ohm and 30-ohm resistors are both connected to node A on one end and node B on the other, so they are also in parallel.

This is not the case for the resulting 21-ohm and 19.09-ohm resistors, however. While both are connected to node A, one is connected to the top of the 7-ohm resistor, and the other, to the bottom. They're not connected to the same two nodes, so they are not in parallel.
 
I think that the key to this question is "art" over "maths": you must redraw the circuit in a manner that is less confusing.

[PLAIN]http://www.xphysics.co.uk/x/R1

Then redraw...

[PLAIN]http://www.xphysics.co.uk/x/R2

and again...

[PLAIN]http://www.xphysics.co.uk/x/R3

Simples. :)
 
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