How do you integrate (ln(x))^2? dx

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function (ln(x))^2 with respect to x. Participants are exploring the appropriate methods for tackling this integration problem, particularly focusing on the distinction between different logarithmic properties.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the potential use of integration by parts and express uncertainty about its application. There is a focus on clarifying the difference between (ln(x))^2 and ln(x^2), with some participants questioning the validity of applying certain logarithmic properties.

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The discussion is active, with various participants contributing thoughts on integration techniques and the nuances of logarithmic functions. Some guidance on using integration by parts has been suggested, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the properties of logarithms, particularly the distinction between (ln(x))^n and ln(x^n). This has led to some participants questioning their assumptions and the setup of the problem.

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it seems you can't use the property ln x^n = n ln x.

I'm thinking there's integration by parts involved but not sure.
 
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maxfails said:
I'm thinking there's integration by parts involved but not sure.

Hi maxfails! :smile:

Yes, use integration by parts with 1 as the function. :wink:
 
ln xn = t
x = et
dx = et dt

so initial eqn becomes

\int t^n e^t dt

and now integrate by parts
 
ln xn = t
x = et
dx = et dt

so initial eqn becomes

\int t^n e^t dt

ln \ x^n = t

e^{ln \ x^n} = e^t

x^n=e^t

\frac{d}{dt} \ (x^n)=\frac{d}{dt} \ (e^t)

0=e^t

remember that:

x=exp \ y \Leftrightarrow y=ln \ x

So

0=e^t \Leftrightarrow t = ln \ 0

Since ln 0 is undefined, so t is undefined too...

:confused:
 
maxfails said:
it seems you can't use the property ln x^n = n ln x.

The problem is that this formula is \ln(x^n)=n\ln(x), but you are now interested in (\ln(x))^n which is different. You probably knew this, but didn't sound very sure about it.

I'm thinking there's integration by parts involved but not sure.

Well tiny-tim of course answered quite sufficiently already, but I thought I would like to say that personally I like writing recursive formulas such as this:

<br /> (\ln(x))^n = D_x \big(x(\ln(x))^n\big) - n(\ln(x))^{n-1}<br />

fundoo, optics.tech, those were quite confusing comments :bugeye:
 
Umm there's a difference between (ln(x))^2 and ln(x^2). The first is what you seem to have, the latter is 2*ln(x).
 

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