How Do You Relate the Accelerations in a Disk and Pulley System?

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The problem involves a disk unwinding from a tape over a frictionless pulley, with a mass suspended on the other end. The task is to relate the accelerations of the disk and the mass, as well as to find their respective values and the angular acceleration of the disk.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the equations of motion and the direction of positive acceleration. There are attempts to clarify the relationships between linear and angular accelerations, with some questioning the correctness of the equations presented.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved, with some participants suggesting that a clue from the book may contain an error. Multiple interpretations of the equations and their implications are being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may have constraints or assumptions that are not clearly defined, such as the choice of positive direction for acceleration and the relationships between linear and angular quantities.

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Homework Statement



A disk of mass M and radius R unwinds from a tape wrapped around it. The tape passes over a frictionless pulley and mass m is suspended from the other end. Assume that the disk drops vertically.

a. relate the accelerations of mass m and disk ,a and A, respectively to the angular acceleration of the disk.

b. Find a, A and α.

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equations of motion : T - mg = ma
T - Mg = MA

-TR = \frac{1}{2}MR^{2}α

Are these equations of motion wrong?
 
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Avi Nandi said:
equations of motion : T - mg = ma
T - Mg = MA
Which direction are you taking as positive, up or down? If up, I would write that as ma = T + mg etc., where g takes a negative value. But it's maybe a matter of personal preference.
-TR = \frac{1}{2}MR^{2}α

Are these equations of motion wrong?
They look ok to me, but you've not written out the relationships between A, a, α and R. That is where this question fools some people.
 
I took up as the positive direction. But I think T and g are always opposing each other. I have written a constraint equation A + a = Rα. But the clue given in the book is " if A= 2a then α= 3A/R"
 
Avi Nandi said:
" if A= 2a then α= 3A/R"

That's a typo in the book. There was a thread on the same problem recently.
 
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Avi Nandi said:
I took up as the positive direction. But I think T and g are always opposing each other. I have written a constraint equation A + a = Rα. But the clue given in the book is " if A= 2a then α= 3A/R"
The consensus is that it's an error in the book. It should say α= 3a/R. See https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=722327
 
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