How does a forward and reverse power meter work?

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The discussion centers around the operation of forward and reverse power meters, specifically focusing on the functionality of diodes within these devices and how they respond to energy direction. The scope includes technical explanations and conceptual clarifications related to power measurement in transmission lines.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that a diode is reversed to measure forward versus reverse power but expresses difficulty in visualizing how this works.
  • Another participant provides a schematic of a Bird Wattmeter, explaining that the diode rectifies induced current based on its orientation relative to the coaxial line.
  • A third participant mentions that energy propagating along the transmission line is directionally coupled into the coupling loop, affecting how it is detected by the diode depending on the direction of the coupled energy.
  • One participant emphasizes the complexity of couplers, suggesting that energy may appear to be coupled in the opposite direction under certain conditions.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and visualization regarding the operation of the diode and the directional coupling of energy, indicating that multiple competing views remain on the topic.

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There are limitations in the explanations provided, including potential missing assumptions about the operation of the diode and the specifics of energy coupling in the transmission line.

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I know they have a diode that gets reversed to see forward V reverse power but how does that diode just respond to the one direction of energy? I have a bird wattmeter and it uses two slugs, one pointed in the other out to get simultaneous forward and reverse power and VSWR and such but why does reversing the diode change the response from forward to reverse? I have a hard time visualizing the process. Thanks. AI3N (All In 3 Nights)
 
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hi there

this schematic of a Bird Wattmeter may help you

bird_sch.jpg


all the labelled parts in the middle are within the slug
Note the sensing loop parallel to the coaxial line and the diode. The induced current into the loop is rectified by the diode.
When it is orientated one way .. .say as shown it will "see" current induced that is flowing on one direction in the coaxial line.
Rotate the slug and it will "see" and rectify induced current flowing the opposite direction in the coax line

( not the best wording, but hopefully you will get the idea :smile: )cheers
Dave
 
A small proportion of the energy propagating along the transmission line is directionally coupled into the coupling loop. One way to think of it is that depending on the direction of the coupled energy, it will either be absorbed in the termination resistor or detected at the opposite end of the loop by the diode.
You should be aware that tricky things often happen in couplers. Depending on the mode employed, the energy in the coupling loop may appear to be coupled in the opposite direction to the transmission line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWR_meter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_dividers_and_directional_couplers
 
Baluncore said:
You should be aware that tricky things often happen in couplers.
Truer words were never spoken!
 

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