How Does Atom Interaction Influence Motion in a One-Dimensional Crystal Lattice?

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The discussion focuses on modeling atom interactions in a one-dimensional crystal lattice using spring forces. Participants work through the equations of motion for the atoms, specifically trying to derive solutions in the form of standing waves. The correct form of the equations is emphasized, including the need for proper differentiation and substitution of terms. There is confusion regarding the use of variables and the correct application of the proposed solutions, leading to requests for clarification and guidance on how to proceed with the calculations. The conversation highlights the importance of clear notation and understanding the underlying physics to solve the problem effectively.
  • #51
B*(-A) = 2A+2A*C
-AB = 2A + 2AC
divide by A:
-B = 2 + 2C

so in the real equation:
m * -sin(aik)*ω2 = D((2*sin(aki)cos(ak)- 2*(sin(aik))

divide by sin(aik):
m * -1*ω2 = D((2*cos(ak)- 2)

Is this right?
 
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  • #52
bobibomi said:
B*(-A) = 2A+2A*C
-AB = 2A + 2AC
divide by A:
-B = 2 + 2C

so in the real equation:
m * -sin(aik)*ω2 = D((2*sin(aki)cos(ak)- 2*(sin(aik))

divide by sin(aik):
m * -1*ω2 = D((2*cos(ak)- 2)

Is this right?
Yes! Next you have to find omega as a function of D, m, a and k.
 
  • #53
m * -1*ω2 = D((2*cos(ak)- 2)

omega as a function of D,m,a,k
maybe this:
ω = -√\stackrel{D((2*cos(ak)- 2)}{m}

is this right?
 
  • #54
bobibomi said:
m * -1*ω2 = D((2*cos(ak)- 2)

omega as a function of D,m,a,k
maybe this:
ω = -√\stackrel{D((2*cos(ak)- 2)}{m}

is this right?
Almost, but you've made a mistake with that minus sign. Try it again, doing one step at a time, and post all the steps.
Btw, for a fraction use \frac, not \stackrel.
 
  • #55
m * -1*ω2 = D((2*cos(ak)- 2)

omega as a function of D,m,a,k
maybe this:
-1*ω2 = \stackrel{D((2*cos(ak)- 2)}{m}
-ω = √ \stackrel{D((2*cos(ak)- 2)}{m}
ω = - √ \stackrel{D((2*cos(ak)- 2)}{m}

Where is my mistake?
 
  • #56
bobibomi said:
-1*ω2 = \stackrel{D((2*cos(ak)- 2)}{m}
-ω = √ \stackrel{D((2*cos(ak)- 2)}{m}
The square root of -A is not -√A. What would you get if you squared -√A?
 
  • #57
ω = √- \stackrel{D((2*cos(ak)- 2)}{m}

Is this right?
 
  • #58
bobibomi said:
ω = \sqrt{-\frac{D((2*cos(ak)- 2)}{m}}

Is this right?
Yes, but you can simplify it slightly. Take that minus sign inside the parentheses.
 
  • #59
ω = √- \stackrel{D((2*cos(ak)- 2)}{m}

I don´t know how do you mean that. Maybe you can show it
 
  • #60
bobibomi said:
\omega = \sqrt{-\frac{D((2*cos(ak)- 2)}{m}}

I don´t know how do you mean that. Maybe you can show it
First, g the minus sign into the numerator: -(A/B) = (-A/B); then take it inside the parentheses: -(A-B) = (-A - -B) = (-A+B) = (B-A).
Use this form for the LaTex:
[ itex]\omega = \sqrt{-\frac{D((2*cos(ak)- 2)}{m}}[/itex]
 
  • #61
ω = √- \stackrel{(D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(m)}

ω = √\stackrel{(-D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(m)}


-(A-B) = (-A - -B) = (-A+B) = (B-A)
ω = √-\stackrel{(D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(-m)} = √\stackrel{(-D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(--m)} = √\stackrel{(-D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(+m)} = √\stackrel{(-D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(m)}

Is this right?
 
  • #62
bobibomi said:
ω = √- \stackrel{(D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(m)}

ω = √\stackrel{(-D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(m)}


-(A-B) = (-A - -B) = (-A+B) = (B-A)
ω = √-\stackrel{(D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(-m)} = √\stackrel{(-D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(--m)} = √\stackrel{(-D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(+m)} = √\stackrel{(-D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(m)}

Is this right?
Move the minus sign in the numerator inside the parentheses, using the steps I showed with A and B.
 
  • #63
ω = √- \stackrel{(D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(m)}

ω = √\stackrel{(-D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(m)}


-(A-B) = (-A - -B) = (-A+B) = (B-A)
ω = √\stackrel{(-D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(m)} = √\stackrel{(D((-2*cos(ak)- - 2))}{(m)} = √\stackrel{(D((-2*cos(ak) + 2))}{(+m)} = √\stackrel{(D((2-2*cos(ak)))}{(m)}

Is this right? I have no other idea
 
  • #64
bobibomi said:
ω = √- \stackrel{(D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(m)}

ω = √\stackrel{(-D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(m)}


-(A-B) = (-A - -B) = (-A+B) = (B-A)
ω = √\stackrel{(-D((2*cos(ak)- 2))}{(m)} = √\stackrel{(D((-2*cos(ak)- - 2))}{(m)} = √\stackrel{(D((-2*cos(ak) + 2))}{(+m)} = √\stackrel{(D((2-2*cos(ak)))}{(m)}

Is this right? I have no other idea
Yes, that's right (but why do you persist in using \stackrel instead \frac?).
Note that 2-2*cos() = 2*(1-cos()) which is never negative. Therefore the square root always has a real solution.
 
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