How Does Carbon's Vacant 3rd p-Orbital Influence sp3 Bonding?

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The discussion centers on the influence of carbon's vacant 3rd p-orbital on its sp3 bonding, exploring the concept of electron promotion and its implications for bonding in carbon and other elements. The scope includes theoretical considerations of atomic structure and bonding mechanisms.

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  • One participant questions how the vacant 3rd p-orbital contributes to sp3 bonding in carbon.
  • Another participant explains that carbon undergoes "promotion" to an excited state where all orbitals are singly occupied, suggesting this is necessary for forming four bonds.
  • A third participant seeks clarification on the sequence of events regarding promotion and tetrahedral bonding, questioning the source of promotional energy.
  • One participant argues that the concepts of promotion and bonding are not necessarily sequential but rather a formal decomposition of binding energy.
  • A question is raised about whether similar promotion and bonding concepts apply to other elements like Boron, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Fluorine, or Neon.
  • Another participant responds that while the term "happen" may not be appropriate, many elements are often in an excited state when forming molecular bonds, suggesting a broader applicability of the concept.

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Participants express differing views on the sequence of promotion and bonding, with no consensus on whether one occurs before the other. There is also debate on the applicability of these concepts to elements beyond carbon.

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Limitations include the ambiguity surrounding the concept of promotion and its energy requirements, as well as the lack of clarity on whether the discussed processes are observable or merely theoretical constructs.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying atomic theory, chemical bonding, and the behavior of elements in molecular structures, particularly in the context of carbon and its analogs.

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Why/How does Carbon's 3rd p-orbital contribute to its bond -- sp3 -- if it's vacant?
 
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Formally, you have to start from an excited state of carbon where both the s and each of the p orbitals is occupied with one electron. This is called "promotion". The energy necessary for promotion is made up by the formation of 4 bonds instead of only two.
 
I'm merely familiar with the concept of electron promotion but from what little I know your explanation does not seem to account for the promotion: does the promotion occur first or does the tetrahedral bonding occur first; if the former then where is the promotional energy coming from and if the latter then I refer to my original question.
 
There is no first and last. This is only a formal decomposition of the total binding energy.
 
Does this promotion+tetrahedron happen with Boron, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Fluorine, or Neon -- or with any element other than Carbon?
 
"Happen" might not be quite the right word to describe this (we are speaking about a way to decompose and understand the binding of molecules in intuitive terms, not about an actual physical process which is observable in any way). But if we ignore this: Yes, most elements would be considered to be in an atomic state closer to an excited state than the atomic ground state while in molecular bonds. So it does happen to many elements.
 

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