How hard can you push something given grip strength?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of pushing an object, specifically focusing on the relationship between grip strength and the force required to overcome friction. Participants explore theoretical scenarios involving static friction and the forces acting on an object clamped to a surface.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if a clamp exerts 100 pounds of force downward on a piece of wood, then 100 pounds of force would be needed to push it left or right, assuming a static coefficient of friction of skin is 1.
  • Another participant questions the applicability of calculations based on the coefficient of friction, noting that they typically relate to parallel surfaces sliding and suggesting a different visualization involving a vertical pipe.
  • A third participant agrees that the same principles apply to pulling a vertical pipe out of the ground, indicating a shared understanding of the mechanics involved.
  • One participant points out that the downward force from the clamp does not directly indicate how well it will resist lateral movement, emphasizing the importance of knowing the coefficient of friction between the clamp and the object.
  • There is a discussion about how to measure grip strength, with one participant proposing two different models: one where hands are imagined as a rubber band applying tangential tension, and another where hands act as a clamp applying equal pressure on two sides of the object.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the forces involved and the mechanics of grip strength, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for specific coefficients of friction and the assumptions made regarding the forces applied, which may affect the outcomes of their discussions.

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Hello,

I was hoping you could solve an argument. We are wondering how hard you can push something. Let's say I have a piece of wood clamped down on a table and I want to push the piece of wood left or right. If the clamp is pushing down on the piece of wood at 100 pounds, I would need 100 pounds given the static coefficient of friction of skin is 1.
 
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Hi dhpoehlman. http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5725/red5e5etimes5e5e45e5e25.gif

Calculations based on coefficient of friction relate to parallel surfaces sliding. Imagine pulling a vertical pipe out of the ground vertically.

I can't quite picture the image you describe. You'll need to be attempting to move an object having parallel sides in a direction along its principal axis.
 
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I think the same principles work with pulling a vertical pipe out of the ground vertically if that helps you visualize.
 
If the clamp is pushing down on the object with 100 pounds of force, that does not tell you anything directly about how well that will hold it against left or right movement. For that you would want to know the coefficient of friction of clamp on object. But let us assume instead that the clamp is pushing down just hard enough that the object will resist 100 pounds of left or rightward force.

Now, how do you measure grip strength? Do you, for instance, imagine your hands as a rubber band encircling the object with a tangential tension of x pounds? That would result in a radial pressure of pi x pounds if you added up the incremental force all the way around the circumference of a circular object. Or do you imagine your hands as a clamp exerting equal and opposite pressure on two sides of the object. That would result in pressure of 2 x pounds if you add the force on both faces.
 

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