How is Light (electromagnetic waves) generated by electrons

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The discussion centers on the mechanisms by which light, or electromagnetic waves, is generated by electrons. Participants explore various scenarios including free electrons, bound electrons in atoms, and the behavior of electrons in bulk materials, touching on concepts from quantum mechanics and classical physics.

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  • Some participants propose that a free electron generates electromagnetic waves through acceleration, with the wave's amplitude and frequency dependent on the acceleration's magnitude.
  • Others argue that bound electrons emit electromagnetic waves when transitioning from higher to lower energy states.
  • A mixed mechanism is suggested for bulk materials, where electrons are accelerated by collisions and can also transition between energy states, particularly in semiconductors and insulators.
  • One participant questions whether the increase in tangential kinetic energy is responsible for electrons jumping to higher energy states during absorption of electromagnetic waves.
  • Another participant cautions against applying classical mechanics to quantum phenomena, emphasizing that electrons do not behave like classical particles in orbits around nuclei.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of electron motion in quantum mechanics, with some participants expressing confusion over the terminology and concepts involved.

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Participants express varying perspectives on the generation of light by electrons, with no consensus reached on the specific mechanisms or the applicability of classical models to quantum behavior.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about electron behavior, the definitions of energy levels, and the application of classical analogies to quantum mechanics. These aspects remain unresolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying quantum mechanics, atomic physics, or those curious about the relationship between electron behavior and electromagnetic wave generation.

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I know this question might be too simplified but, What is the primary causes generation of light (electromagnetic waves) by electron? Is it vibration motion of electron or the motion of electron around the nucleus?
 
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There are two primary ways depending on the state of the electron:

1. For a free electron, an EM wave can be generated by simply accelerating the electron. The amplitude and frequency of the EM wave depends on the magnitude of the acceleration of the electron.

2. For an electron bound to an atom or molecule, it can emit an EM wave by dropping from a higher energy state to a lower energy state.

3. For bulk materials, the mechanism is a mix of 1 and 2. Electrons are accelerated by collisions with ions and other electrons and emit EM waves as a result. This is where thermal radiation comes from. In addition, a small amount will transition between energy states if the material has some sort of bandgap, emitting specific frequencies as a result. As far as I know, this happens mainly in semiconductors and insulators, not conductors. Semiconductor lasers rely on a version of this 2nd part to generate laser light.
 
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Abhinay Soanker said:
I know this question might be too simplified but, What is the primary causes generation of light (electromagnetic waves) by electron? Is it vibration motion of electron or the motion of electron around the nucleus?
How much do you know about energy levels within atoms?
 
Comeback City said:
How much do you know about energy levels within atoms?
I have knowledge about energy level in atoms
 
Drakkith said:
There are two primary ways depending on the state of the electron:

1. For a free electron, an EM wave can be generated by simply accelerating the electron. The amplitude and frequency of the EM wave depends on the magnitude of the acceleration of the electron.

2. For an electron bound to an atom or molecule, it can emit an EM wave by dropping from a higher energy state to a lower energy state.

3. For bulk materials, the mechanism is a mix of 1 and 2. Electrons are accelerated by collisions with ions and other electrons and emit EM waves as a result. This is where thermal radiation comes from. In addition, a small amount will transition between energy states if the material has some sort of bandgap, emitting specific frequencies as a result. As far as I know, this happens mainly in semiconductors and insulators, not conductors. Semiconductor lasers rely on a version of this 2nd part to generate laser light.
Drakkith, Thank you for in-detail explanation. But regarding your second point, I understand when electron absorbs EM waves they jump to higher state and vice-versa. But is it because its increase in tangential kinetic energy (tangential velocity) or electron just jumps to higher order state during absorption of EM waves?
 
Abhinay Soanker said:
But is it because its increase in tangential kinetic energy
You are trying to apply a mechanical model to a QM phenomenon which is always a risky thing to do. An atom is not a tiny solar system. :smile:
 
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Abhinay Soanker said:
Drakkith, Thank you for in-detail explanation. But regarding your second point, I understand when electron absorbs EM waves they jump to higher state and vice-versa. But is it because its increase in tangential kinetic energy (tangential velocity) or electron just jumps to higher order state during absorption of EM waves?

Trying to talk about electrons in atoms as having tangential velocity is problematic because they are not classical particles. They are quantum particles and don't revolve around an atom like planets revolve around the Sun. There are discrete energy levels that the electron can be in instead.
 
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Abhinay Soanker said:
I have knowledge about energy level in atoms
Drakkith's post sums it up well, since he considered all the different possible cases (I was thinking just electrons in atoms). In atoms, when an electron drops down an energy level, it will emit electromagnetic radiation whose energy corresponds to the "difference" of energy between the energy levels.
 
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Thank you very much for the information, I'm not very familiar how the electron motion is defined based on QM. I'll try to read more about it. If there any further question I'll post it here. Thank you everyone for the help!
 
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Abhinay Soanker said:
electron motion is defined based on QM.
Actually, that is an oxymoron. 'Motion' and QM are not on the same planet, although people constantly try to link them together. It's one or the other and you choose according to the situation.
 

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