How is Rocket Propulsion Affected by Gravity?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of gravity on rocket propulsion, specifically when a rocket accelerates vertically upward from the Earth's surface. Participants are examining how to modify existing equations to account for gravitational forces while ignoring air resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are considering how to incorporate the impulse of gravity into the equations governing rocket motion. There are discussions about modifying the left-hand side of the equations and the implications of including gravitational forces.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested approaches to modify the equations, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding the forces acting on the rocket. There is an ongoing exploration of how to derive the expression for acceleration in the context of gravity.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that air resistance can be ignored and that gravity is constant for small altitudes. There is a focus on ensuring that the units of the modified equations are consistent with physical principles.

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Homework Statement



Earlier we considered a rocket fired in outer space where there is no air resistance and where gravity is negligible. Suppose instead that the rocket is accelerating vertically upward from rest on the Earth's surface. Continue to ignore air resistance and consider only that part of the motion where the altitude of the rocket is small so that g may be assumed to be constant.

a) How is eq. (8.37) modified in the presence of the gravity force?

b) Derive an expression for the acceleration a of the rocket, analogous to Eq. (8.39)

Homework Equations



eq (8.37): m(dv/dt) = - vex(dm/dt)
m= mass of rocket vex= velocity of rocket exhaust v= velocity of rocket

eq (8.39): a= (dv/dt) = (-vex/m)(dm/dt)

The Attempt at a Solution



For part (a) I believe I need to factor in the impulse of gravity, Jg= mg(dt), but I don't know how. Then I would use my answer to part (a) to find an equation for acceleration.

Thank you
 
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Lola Luck said:
For part (a) I believe I need to factor in the impulse of gravity, Jg= mg(dt), but I don't know how.
You need to include the effects of gravity, but not as you've stated. Try looking at units for 8.37 and rethink what you "believe."
 
i believe that the trick lies in realising the fact that the net external force acting on the rocket is now, no longer the reaction due to its own engines, but also gravity acts on it. so we need to modify the LHS first
 
sorry for the late response!

so the units of the equation are kg*(m/s^2), which is the same as a Newton. So do I just add the force of gravity?

m (dv/dt)+mg=-v(dm/dt)
 
That'd be my first approach.
 
okay, and then I just solve for dv/dt to get acceleration for part (b). thank you!
 

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