How Is Work Calculated in a Friction-Involved Scenario?

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In the discussion on calculating work in a friction-involved scenario, a 2450 kg car is pushed 12 meters in 8.95 seconds with a coefficient of friction of 0.450. The net work done was calculated using the kinetic energy formula, resulting in approximately 8798 J. The work done by the street involves determining the force of friction, which is found using the normal force (Fn = mg) and the coefficient of friction. The participants clarified that the normal force is equal to the weight of the car, and they discussed methods to find acceleration and net force. Overall, the conversation focused on understanding the relationships between work, friction, and forces in the context of the problem.
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Homework Statement


There is a 2450 kg car being pushed by a group of students. The car is pushed a distance of 12 m in 8.95 seconds. The coefficient of friction is .450.
a) What is the net work being done?
b) Work done by street?
c) Work done by students?


Homework Equations


Wnet=Kf-K0
Wf=-Ff*d
d=[(v0+vf)t]/2
KE=[mv^2]/2

The Attempt at a Solution


For a, Wnet=Kf-K0, and K0=0.
To find Kf, I started to find Vf, using the displacement formula
12=[vf*8.95]/2
vf=2.68 sec.
Then I found Kf
Kf=[2450*2.68^2]/2
Since K0=0, Wnet=8798 J (same value as Kf+0)

b asks for work done by street so I assumed that meant Wf.
At this point, I wasn't sure how to find Ff to use in Wf=-Ff*d formula
I thought Ff=μ*Fn
Is Fn=m*g? Or do I multiply m*a, after finding out acceleration?
Since I found Vf in the last step, do I divide that by time to find acceleration?

c is work done by students, which is Wpush/applied force.
Wnet=Wpull-Wf
Do I add Wf to Wnet to find applied force?
At this point, I don't really know what I'm doing.
Can someone give me a few tips on the concepts that should be understood about this problem and explain whatever errors I'm making?
 
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Ff is μ*Fn This will give you the force of friction, and you know the distance over which it was acting. And I am not sure what is better, but I personally would have found the acceleration with s = (at^2)/2
12 = a(8.95^2)/2
24 = 80.1025a
a = .2996m/s^2

Fnet = ma = .2996*2450 = 734.02
Wnet = Fnet*s = 734.02*12 = 8808J

Pretty similar answer
 
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Zula110100100 said:
Ff is μ*Fn This will give you the force of friction, and you know the distance over which it was acting.

Thanks for replying. I did get that acceleration and a very close Wnet (8820 J) when I worked it previously, while using the method you demonstrated.

For Ff, is Fn=m*a? Or m*g? That's what I'm confused about...
 
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Fn is the normal force, which is mg :)
 
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