How to Calculate Electric Field from Rods?

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The problem involves calculating the electric field generated by two long, thin parallel rods connected by a semicircular piece, with a uniform linear charge density. The task is to show that the electric field at a specific point vanishes by comparing contributions from different elements of the charge distribution.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial steps needed to approach the problem, including identifying the charge on specific elements and their distances from the point of interest. Questions arise about how to calculate the electric field contributions from these elements and how they may cancel out.

Discussion Status

Some participants are actively questioning the setup and calculations, particularly regarding the distances and charge contributions from the elements at points A and B. There is an exploration of the relationships between the angles, distances, and charge, with attempts to clarify the calculations involved.

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Participants note the need for specific measurements and relationships between the elements of the charge distribution, as well as the implications of the geometry on the electric field calculations. There is an emphasis on understanding the contributions from each element without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement



(a) Two long, thin parallel rods, a distance 2b apart, are joined by a semicircular piece of radius b, as shown in Fig. 1.44. Charge of uniform linear density λ is deposited along the whole filament. Show that the field E of this charge distribution vanishes at the point C. Do this by comparing the contribution of the element at A to that of the element at B which is defined by the same values of θ and dθ.
(b) Consider the analogous two-dimensional setup involving a cylinder and a hemispherical end cap, with uniform surface charge density σ. Using the result from part (a), do you think that the field at the analogous point C is directed upward, downward, or is zero? (No calculations needed!)

Homework Equations



F = kq/d^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I have no idea how to begin this problem. Can somebody explain to me where I can start? I imagine I have to use the equation above and find that the values from each part of the rods cancel out, but I don’t know how without knowing the charge in either case or the distance in the one case.
 

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How long is the shaded element at A? So how much charge on it?
How far is it from C? What is the strength of field it exerts there?

Then the same questions for the other shaded element. For this, it might help to consider the distance of the element from the dashed line, and how that distances changes as the angle increases by dθ.
 
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haruspex said:
How long is the shaded element at A? So how much charge on it?
How far is it from C? What is the strength of field it exerts there?

Then the same questions for the other shaded element. For this, it might help to consider the distance of the element from the dashed line, and how that distances changes as the angle increases by dθ.

I believe the distance to A is b and the distance to B is b/(cos(θ))

I understand that the charge on each part of the rod is related to the length of that part and that there should be a greater charge at B because of the longer distance. I’m not sure how to calculate these charges though.

Edit: I got a charge of λbdθ for B and λbdθ/cos(θ) for A by multiplying the small angle by the distance. When I try to calculate the electric field at C from these two points, they don’t cancel out. The values I got are kλdθ/b and kcos(θ)λdθ/b. Do you know what I did wrong?
 
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FS98 said:
distance to B is b/(cos(θ))
No, I asked for the distance from the dashed line. That is a distance along the straight arm of the wire.
You need the length of the element in that direction. This will be the change in the distance along the arm for a small change dθ in the angle.
 

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