How to calulate heat transfer though multiple layers?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating heat transfer through multiple layers in a hydraulic system setup involving a stainless steel tank and sand. Participants explore the implications of heat loss through the tank's wall and compare the thermal conductivity of sand versus air.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the setup involving a stainless steel wall in contact with oil and sand, seeking to understand heat loss through this configuration.
  • Another suggests starting with the first layer and developing equations for temperature changes over time, ultimately leading to the sand temperature as a function of various parameters.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the geometry of the setup and the layers involved, seeking clarification on the thickness and arrangement of materials.
  • One participant posits that sand may act as a good insulator due to its porosity and air gaps, potentially conducting less heat than open air.
  • Another participant suggests that a thicker steel plate or a finned aluminum block could improve thermal performance, indicating a preference for different materials or configurations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the thermal properties of sand versus air, with some suggesting that sand may insulate better while others propose that it could conduct heat away more effectively. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal configuration for heat transfer.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the effectiveness of sand as an insulator compared to air, and there are unresolved questions about the specific geometry and material properties involved in the heat transfer calculations.

Erik S
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I am setting up a hydraulic system on a cable laying machine. We don't have much space for the tank, and I am thinking of constructing it on the "wall" og a big 1m^3 stainless steel sand holder. That would make the tank With 5 faces in open air, 1 face With sand on the opposite side.

I am wanting to calculate the heat loss I can expect though the steel wall to the sand mass. Specifically if this will be better or worse than being Oil/wall/air I have heat transfer values for the materials, I just don't know how to set up the an Equation for multiple layers..

Thanks in advance.
 

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Well, start with the first layer, and use the heat transfer as a function of time and temperature to come up with an equation for the temperature of layer 2 as a function of time and the outside temperature. Repeat, and ultimately you will end up with the sand temperature as a function of time and temperature of the outside as well as the transfer rates of the layers in between.
 
I don't quite understand the geometry. My understanding is that you have a 1 m^3 tank filled with sand, and heat transfer takes place at one wall of the tank; all the other walls of the tank are insulated. What I don't get yet is what layers of materials are present outside that wall (and how thick)? (I don't need to know the details of the application).

Chet
 
Hi chet.

There is no insulation, oil against stainless steel against sand.

Surface area of each "wall" that transfers the heat is 0.42m^2

I am trying to calculate if the sand will conduct more heat away than open air, or if it will have an opposite, insulating effect

The sand is slowly replaced so the rate of heat transfer plays a big role on deciding if it is a better solution.
 
Erik S said:
I am trying to calculate if the sand will conduct more heat away than open air, or if it will have an opposite, insulating effect

I suspect you will find that sand will be a very good insulator and will not conduct much heat away
a quantity of sand is very porous ... lots of air gaps, therefore heat conduction will be very low

you would be better off if the steel plate was just much bigger/thicker. and even better would be the use of
a thick finned block of aluminium which is lots lighter and has a much lower thermal resistanceDave
 
Erik S said:
Hi chet.

There is no insulation, oil against stainless steel against sand.

Surface area of each "wall" that transfers the heat is 0.42m^2

I am trying to calculate if the sand will conduct more heat away than open air, or if it will have an opposite, insulating effect

The sand is slowly replaced so the rate of heat transfer plays a big role on deciding if it is a better solution.
Sorry. Still don't follow. It looks like davenn has figured out what the setup looks like and is being helpful, so I'm withdrawing.

Chet
 

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