How to derive the curl of E equation in the frame of the conductor?

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The discussion centers on deriving the equation for the curl of the electric field (E') in the frame of a conductor, specifically relating it to the magnetic field (B). The equation states that the curl of E' equals the negative dot product of the conductor's velocity and the gradient of the magnetic field. Concerns are raised regarding the correct interpretation of the mathematical expressions, particularly the distinction between dot products and composite functions. The participants emphasize the application of vector calculus and the need for clarity in notation, especially regarding the use of LaTeX for accurate representation. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities involved in understanding and deriving this equation within electromagnetic theory.
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According to wikipedia, "The moving magnet and conductor problem", I stopped at the equation shown in the attachment.
It said that the curl of the E` ( electric field in the frame of the conductor) is equal to minus of the dot product of the velocity of the conductor and the del multiplied by the magnetic field.

How to derive this formula?
 

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UltrafastPED said:
The first part is follows from the chain rule: substituting B(x'+vt) for B':

∂B'/∂t = ∂B(x'+vt)/∂t = ∇B(x') ° ∂vt/∂t = ∇B(x') ° v.

But this can also be expressed as (v°∇)B.

But i have 3 concerns:
1) The above equation should equal to ∇B(x') ∂vt/∂t not to the composite ∇B(x') ° ∂vt/∂t
2) How (v°∇)B is driven from ∇B(x') ° v?
3) In wikipedia, it is a dot product (v.∇) B not a composite function (v°∇)B
 
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∂B`(x`)/∂t = ∂B(x`+vt)/∂t

∂B/∂t= (∂B/∂x).(∂x/∂t) given that x=x`+vt

but ∂x/∂t= v

so ∂B/∂t= (∂B/∂x). v
 
Yeah, a dot not a composition. Couldn't find the dot in the menu. Gotta learn LaTex someday I keep saying to myself!
 
UltrafastPED said:
Yeah, a dot not a composition. Couldn't find the dot in the menu. Gotta learn LaTex someday I keep saying to myself!

Fine, so again how (v.∇) B is reached? it should be v (∇.B). In other words, the only operator that is acting on B should be ∇ not (v.∇).
 
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