How to evaluate a surface integral with three points?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a surface integral involving a vector field G defined as G=x^2i+xyj+zk, over a surface S formed by three points: (0,0,0), (1,1,0), and (2,2,2). Participants are exploring the correct parametrization of the surface and the implications of the integral notation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the parametrization of the surface and question whether the derived surface equation is correct. There are inquiries about the meaning of the integral notation, particularly regarding the vector nature of G and the interpretation of dS. Some participants express uncertainty about the surface being a plane and whether the integral setup is appropriate.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the surface equation and its implications for the integral. Some participants have provided guidance on checking the surface equation and clarifying the notation used. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered, particularly regarding the surface and the integration limits.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem statement does not explicitly define the surface as a plane, leading to some confusion. There is also a lack of clarity about the integration limits and the specific triangle being referenced for the surface integral.

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Homework Statement


Let G=x^2i+xyj+zk And let S be the surface with points connecting (0,0,0) , (1,1,0) and (2,2,2)

Find ∬GdS. (over S)

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The Attempt at a Solution



I parametrised the surface and found 0=2x-2y. I’m not sure if this is correct. And I’m also uncertain about how to proceed.
 
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Tom31415926535 said:

Homework Statement


Let G=x^2i+xyj+zk And let S be the surface with points connecting (0,0,0) , (1,1,0) and (2,2,2)

Find ∬GdS. (over S)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I parametrised the surface and found 0=2x-2y. I’m not sure if this is correct. And I’m also uncertain about how to proceed.

Check to see if the three given points satisfy your proposed surface equation.
 
Okay thanks. So I can conclude that that is the correct surface equation.

Therefore:

r(y,z)= (y,y,z)

G(r(x,z))=(y^2, y^2, z)

Then the integral will be:

∫∫(y^2, y^2, z)(1+2y+1)dydz

Is my reasoning correct? If yes, how do I determine the terminals?

If no, what am I doing incorrectly?
 
Tom31415926535 said:

Homework Statement


Let G=x^2i+xyj+zkAnd let S be the surface with points connecting (0,0,0) , (1,1,0) and (2,2,2)

Find ∬GdS. (over S)
OK, so you are using i,j,k notation for vectors and G is a vector. What do you mean by "the" surface connecting these points. There are infinitely many such surfaces. And when you write ##\iint GdS## what does that mean if G is a vector? Is dS a vector? Is there a missing dot product there?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I parametrised the surface and found 0=2x-2y. I’m not sure if this is correct. And I’m also uncertain about how to proceed.
Were you given the surface is a plane? If so, why not tell us? So you are using ##y=x##.

Tom31415926535 said:
Okay thanks. So I can conclude that that is the correct surface equation.

Therefore:

r(y,z)= (y,y,z)

Is that a vector? What happened to the ijk notation for your vectors?

G(r(x,z))=(y^2, y^2, z)

Then the integral will be:

∫∫(y^2, y^2, z)(1+2y+1)dydz

Is my reasoning correct? If yes, how do I determine the terminals?

If no, what am I doing incorrectly?
In that integral you apparently have a vector multiplied by a scalar so you are expecting a vector answer? And where did the 1+2y+1 come from. It is all very confusing. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the problem.
 
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Tom31415926535 said:
Okay thanks. So I can conclude that that is the correct surface equation.

Therefore:

r(y,z)= (y,y,z)

G(r(x,z))=(y^2, y^2, z)

Then the integral will be:

∫∫(y^2, y^2, z)(1+2y+1)dydz

Is my reasoning correct? If yes, how do I determine the terminals?

If no, what am I doing incorrectly?

Are you integrating over the triangle with vertices (0,0,0), (1,1,0) and (2,2,1)? Your problem statement did not say that explicitly, but my default assumption is that you want that triangle.
 

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