How to find Ay and Ma reactions in a structural analysis problem?

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The discussion revolves around determining the Ay and Ma reactions in a structural analysis problem involving a distributed load and point loads. Participants explore various methods for calculating these reactions, including integration and static equilibrium equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the effect of a 9 kN/m distributed load through integration, arriving at Ay = 288 kN and Ma = 2,736 kN*m.
  • Another participant challenges the initial calculations, asserting that the equivalent force of the distributed load should be 36 kN instead of 288 kN, and questions the moment calculation.
  • A further response suggests that while the equivalent force is indeed 36 kN, the distributed load also affects Ay, and integration should be used to find the moment caused by it.
  • Another participant proposes a different approach, stating that the distributed load can be replaced by a force and a couple acting at a specific point, simplifying the calculations.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of correctly setting up the integration limits and questions the necessity of integration for this problem.
  • Another participant provides a detailed calculation using the area of the distributed load to find the resultant force and its location, applying static equilibrium equations to derive Ay and Ma.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations of Ay and Ma, with no consensus reached on the correct approach or results. Multiple competing methods and interpretations of the distributed load are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential flaws in the integration setup and the assumptions made regarding the effects of the distributed load on the reactions at support A. The discussion reveals varying interpretations of static equilibrium principles and integration techniques.

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This discussion may be useful for students and professionals in structural engineering or mechanics who are interested in methods for analyzing reactions in structures under various loading conditions.

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to figure out the Ay and Ma reactions, i tried to find the effect of the 9kn/m force. i did this by integrating:

integral from 0 to 8: 9x

i found this to be 288kn

for the moment caused by the 9kn/m force:

integral from 0 to 8: 9(x^2)

i found this to be 1,535kn*m clockwise

i then added this to the moment about A caused by the 100kn force in the positive x direction:

(100kn)(12m) + 1,536kn * m= 2,736 kn*m

so my answer for the first part would be:

reactions:

Ax= -100kn
Ay= 288kn (in positive y direction)
Ma= 2,736 kn * m counterclockwise.

am i correct?
 
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I think you need to look at the distributed load more carefully.

The equivalent force is 9 * 8 / 2 = 36 kN, not 288 kN

Similarly, the moment of this load appears to be wrong.
 
SteamKing said:
I think you need to look at the distributed load more carefully.

The equivalent force is 9 * 8 / 2 = 36 kN, not 288 kN

Similarly, the moment of this load appears to be wrong.

right, its 36kn directly inline with A, but wouldn't the distributed load have an effect on Ay as well?

also, since its a distributed load, wouldn't i have to find the moment caused by it through integration?
 
You can, but your integration set up is flawed. The distributed load from B to C can be replaced by a force and a couple acting at B. Similarly, the 100 kN load at C can be shifted to B without changing the reactions at A.
 
Why would the vertical distributed load cause a horizontal reaction at A? When you integrate let x=0 at C and x=8 at B. It's easier that way.
 
Seems like you are complicating the problem by bringing integration into the picture.
Firstly you can can find the resultant of the distributed load by doing as follow:
Resultant:0.5*9*8=36kN(basically the area of the distributed load i e a triangle in this case)

Now to find the location where this resultant acts, you simply need to find the centroid of the triangle from side that is denoted by 9kN. it's given by h/3 i.e 8/3=2.67m from the left.
now use the equilibrium equation of statics
ƩFy=0
Ay-36=0 ie Ay=36kN
ƩFx=0
Ax+100=0 ie Ax=-100kN(the negative sign indicated the reaction is towards the left and not towards the right if u had imagined it to be so)
ƩMA=0(moment about A)
M+36*2.67+100(12)=0 ie M=-1296.12kN-m(negative sign indicates a anti clockwise moment ,which makes intuitive sense since clockwise moments give a anti clockwise reaction at the support A)
Hence u got all the reactions .
 

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