How to say whether an element is more electronegative?

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In the discussion about electronegativity between phosphorus (P) and nitrogen (N), it is established that nitrogen is more electronegative due to its smaller atomic size and fewer electron shells. Both elements have five electrons in their outer shell, but nitrogen has only two electron shells while phosphorus has three. This difference in size and shielding effect results in nitrogen having a greater ability to attract electrons. The conversation highlights that electronegativity is influenced by atomic size and the number of electron shells, with a general trend that electronegativity decreases down a group in the periodic table. While electronegativity is a useful concept, it is noted that it can be poorly defined and sometimes leads to contradictory predictions.
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Amoung phosphorous and nitrogen which one is more electronegative? My book says it is nitrogen because it is small in size but shouldn't it be phosphorous since it has higher valency than nitrogen?
When we compare two elements based on their electronegativity, should we not look at it's valencies? If not what is the criteria to be used?
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Both N and P have 5 electrons in the outer shell, so the deciding factor is size.
 
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Both N and P have 5 electrons in the outer shell, so the deciding factor is size.
I just found out another factor too.N has 2 shells while P has 3 shells.Now it is known that as we go down a group electronegativity decreases.Hence N should be more electronegative since it is place before phosphorous in 5th group depending on their shells.
 
Yes, there is some correlation between effective size and number of shells ...
 
Electronegativity - while sometimes quite useful - is a rather handwavy concept, poorly defined (many definitions, sometimes giving contradicting predictions). As with every poorly defined concept it becomes hard to apply/explain/use when you get into details.

- Doc, it hurts when I do that.
- Don't.

That how I approach this kind of problems :wink:
 
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Borek is right: look further down in these tables -- P, As, Sb, Bi
 
Nitrogen is smaller, and so has higher charge density. Also the nucleus is less shielded so electrons will feel a greater pull, which explains it's higher electronegativity.
 
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