How to show that f(x) = x^3 - x^2 + x - 1 is never decreasing

  • Thread starter Thread starter Air
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    decreasing
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the function f(x) = x^3 - x^2 + x - 1 is never decreasing. Participants are exploring the implications of the term "never decreasing" in relation to the function's derivative and its behavior over intervals.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand the meaning of "never decreasing" and how it relates to the function's derivative. There are discussions about using specific values for x to illustrate the function's behavior and whether differentiation is necessary for the proof.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested using the derivative to show that f'(x) is positive, indicating that the function is increasing. Others have raised questions about the necessity of differentiation and the interpretation of consecutive numbers in the context of the function's behavior.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the definitions of increasing and never decreasing functions, as well as the role of the derivative in establishing these properties. Participants are also considering the implications of specific examples and theorems related to the function's behavior.

Air
Messages
202
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Show f(x) = x^3-x^2+x-1 is never decreasing.2. The attempt at a solution
f(x) = x^3-x^2+x-1
f'(x) = 3x^2 - 2x + 1
f''(x) = 6x - 23. The problem that I'm facing
I don't understand what it means by never decreasing. Do I say that when differentiates, it gives a positive quadratic equation hence it never decreasing or when differentiated twice, it forms a positive linear equation hence never decreasing? :confused:
 
Physics news on Phys.org


For a function to be increasing, for any
x_1<x_2;
f(x_1)<f(x_2).
The opposite applies for decreasing functions.
 


steven10137 said:
For a function to be increasing, for any
x_1<x_2;
f(x_1)<f(x_2).
The opposite applies for decreasing functions.

But, I'm only provided with one function so how can I show:

f(x_1)<f(x_2)

What is x_1, x_2?
 


x_1 and x_2 are simply two consecutive numbers.

It's just logic, take x_1=2 and x_2=3;
f(x_1)=5 and f(x_2)=20.

... and you can prove this for any two numbers, aslong as they are consecutive.
 


steven10137 said:
x_1 and x_2 are simply two consecutive numbers.

It's just logic, take x_1=2 and x_2=3;
f(x_1)=5 and f(x_2)=20.

... and you can prove this for any two numbers, aslong as they are consecutive.

So, I substitute two consecutive numbers into the function and show that it's increasing.

No differentiation is required for this question?
 


Air said:
No differentiation is required for this question?

Indeed. Think about it, if for any two consecutive numbers, their corresponding function value is greater, how can the function be decreasing?

You could also use the theorem that on any interval (a,b), if f '(x) is > 0, then the function is increasing on that range.
Take the interval (1,2) for example; f '(1.5) > 0 and this can be proven for all intervals for this function.

This method is more useful when you are asked questions such as "Find the values of x where the function is increasing or decreasing", as you can use the derivative to find the critical points of the function and evaluate the sign of the derivate over each of the intervals.

Hope this makes sense.
 


You have
f'(x) = 3x^2 - 2x + 1= 3(x^2- (2/3)x+ 1/9)- 1/3+ 1= (x-1/3)^2+ 2/3
which is never 0. Checking x= 0, f'(0)= 1> 0 so f' is positive for all x.
 


Air said:
I don't understand what it means by never decreasing. Do I say that when differentiates, it gives a positive quadratic equation hence it never decreasing or when differentiated twice, it forms a positive linear equation hence never decreasing? :confused:
If the function never decreases, then it's derivative must be always be positive right? How can you show that is true for f'(x)?
 


Air said:
So, I substitute two consecutive numbers into the function and show that it's increasing.

No differentiation is required for this question?

YES. USE DIFFERENTIATION. You've already said the correct thing. f'(x) is a positive quadratic. If the derivative is always positive, a function is increasing. 'never decreasing' would just mean 'always increasing or constant'.
 
  • #10


Thanks. I understand! :smile:
 
  • #11


Strictly speaking, if a function is never decreasing, it's derivative is never negative. That's not the same as saying "always positive" (although in this problem the derivative is always positive).

for example, f(x)= x3 is never decreasing but f'(x)= 3x2 which is NOT always positive: f'(0)= 0.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K