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The discussion focuses on calculating work done when a force depends on the direction of velocity, specifically using the formula W = ∫ F · dx. The participants explore parametrizing paths, such as a straight line and a curve (y = x^2), to compute work done along these paths. They clarify that the differential arc length ds is crucial for integrating work, with ds representing the length of the curve segment. The correct approach simplifies the calculation by using arc length integrals rather than double integrals. The conversation concludes with a verification of the arc length integral for the curve y = x^2, confirming the method but expressing uncertainty about the integration process.
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if the force depended on the DIRECTION of the VELOCITY
that is \vec{F} = - F \hat{v}.
so suppose it was dragged along a path - say from (0,0) to (1,1) i na straight line what is the work done?
It going in a striaght line so we could parametrize the curve into r(t) = (t,t)
and r'(t) = (1,1) right
and thus v hat = (1,1) as well then?
now the problem is the work depends on the direction of the velocity

so then the work done is W = -F \int_{0}^{1} (1,1) (1,1) dt is that right?

ok so let's say it was dragged along the curve y = x^2
then r(t) = (t,t^2)
and r'(t) = (1,2t)
and \hat{v} = \frac{(1,2t)}{\sqrt{1+4t^2}}
ok but what the dirrefetial quantity fo the function here? Is it (t,t^2) dt?
so then is
W = -F \int_{0}^{1} \frac{(1,2t))}{\sqrt{1+4t^2}} (t,t^2) dt
is that right?

Please help!
 
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You should use:

W=\int \vec F \cdot d\vec x = \int \vec F \cdot \vec v \mbox{ } dt

If \vec F = -|F| \hat v, then:

W= \int -|F|\hat v \cdot \vec v \mbox{ } dt = -|F|\int |v|\hat v \cdot \hat v \mbox{ } dt

= -|F| \int |v|dt = -|F| \int ds

So you don't have to do most of that work you did.
 
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oh ok that seems much simpler
but was i did correct by teh way?

doing it the simpler way though...
for the straight line from (0,0) to (1,1)
the integrand would be
\int_{0}^{1} \int_{0}^{1} (1,1) \bullet (1,1) dx dy ?
and for hte line from (0,0) to (1,1) along y = x^2
\int_{0}^{1} \ int_{y=0}^{y=x^2} (1,1) \bullet (1,1) dy dx

are thos correct?
 
No, there aren't any double integrals in this. 'ds' means the differential arclength. Note that I substituted it in for |v|dt. The integral of ds over a segment of a curve is the length of that segment of the curve. For a curve y(x) in 2D, ds2=dx2+dy2=dx2(1+(dy/dx)2). For example, for the straight line from (0,0) to (1,1), \int ds =\sqrt{2}.
 
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ooooo i see i understnad now
there was another part of this problem that involved proving what you proved in your first post. I totally disregaraded the meaning of dS. SO the integral of dS represents the arc length.

so for the y=x^2 function the arc legnth would be for r(t) = (t,t^2) and r'(t) = (1,2t)
\int_{0}^{1} \sqrt{1 + 4t^2} dt yes?
 
can i get a confirmation on my answer? Is it right? I m not sure on how to integrate it though. I tried using mathematica and got an answer that involved sinh which i haven ot come across as of yet.
 
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