Hydraulic machines (Francis turbine)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the operation and principles of hydraulic machines, specifically the Francis turbine. Participants explore concepts related to energy conversion, pressure and velocity relationships, and seek resources for further study on hydraulic machines.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the explanation of pressure energy conversion in a Francis turbine, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of energy extraction and Bernoulli's equation.
  • Another participant explains that the conversion from pressure to velocity occurs primarily in the stator before the fluid enters the rotor, where energy is transferred to the turbine.
  • A participant provides a link to an article on Wikipedia that discusses the theory of operation of Francis turbines and mentions the diversity of turbine types.
  • Several participants recommend books on hydraulic machines, including titles in German, indicating a lack of familiarity with English resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the initial explanation of energy conversion in the Francis turbine, with differing views on the application of Bernoulli's equation and the role of the rotor versus the stator. Participants express varying levels of familiarity with available literature on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in their understanding of English literature on hydraulic machines and suggest resources in other languages. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the application of Bernoulli's principle in the context of turbine operation.

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This discussion may be useful for students and professionals interested in hydraulic machines, particularly those studying turbine operation and energy conversion principles.

Mohankpvk
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When my teacher was explaining about impulse-reaction inward
Radial flow (Francis) turbine, he said that as the water moves from inlet to outlet tip of the blade, pressure energy of the water is used to do work and pressure reduces(reaction effect).Then he added that due to this decrease in pressure,relative velocity between blade and water increases as water moves towards outlet.If this(pressure decreases velocity increases) comes from the Bernoulis equation then there should not be any addition or subtraction of energy from the fluid.But a turbine extracts energy from the fuid.So is this explanation wrong?
Please suggest a good book for studying the basics of hydraulic machines.
 
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The conversion from pressure to velocity (when Bernoulli can be applied) mainly takes place before the fluid is entering the rotating wheel, in a stator. There a fixed geometry accelerates the fluid and decreases the pressure. The high-speed fluid then transfers energy (work) to the wheel applying a force on it and at the same time decelerates. So

stator: pressure ##\rightarrow## velocity (Bernoulli)
rotor: the fluid transfers work to the wheel (not Bernoulli)

Unfortunately I'm not familar with English books about hydraulic machines
 
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stockzahn said:
The conversion from pressure to velocity (when Bernoulli can be applied) mainly takes place before the fluid is entering the rotating wheel, in a stator. There a fixed geometry accelerates the fluid and decreases the pressure. The high-speed fluid then transfers energy (work) to the wheel applying a force on it and at the same time decelerates. So

stator: pressure ##\rightarrow## velocity (Bernoulli)
rotor: the fluid transfers work to the wheel (not Bernoulli)

Unfortunately I'm not familar with English books about hydraulic machines

Please suggest a book.language doesn't matter, Ill try to find a translated version of it.
 
"Strömungsmaschinen" (Turbo machinery) from Carl Pfleiderer - very good
"Strömungsmaschinen: Grundlagen und Anwendungen" (turbo machinery: Basics and applications) from Herbert Sigloch - not that substabial, but for the overview
 
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