Hydrostatic forces on a hinged gate

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The discussion revolves around calculating the hydrostatic forces acting on a hinged gate, specifically focusing on the forces at the hinge and the methodology for determining these forces through integration and force balance. The context includes theoretical and mathematical reasoning related to fluid mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral setup to calculate the hydrostatic force on the hinge, arriving at a specific force vector.
  • Another participant suggests that considering moments about the non-hinged end of the gate may provide a quicker solution for finding the hinge force.
  • A different participant expresses a desire to modify the problem by considering the scenario where the water is below the gate, seeking assistance in setting up the integral for that case.
  • One participant questions the complexity of the original problem, implying it could be solved more simply using basic trigonometry and arithmetic.
  • Another participant advises drawing reference lines and performing a force balance on the fluid to derive the force components exerted by the gate, referencing Newton's third law.

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Participants express differing views on the best approach to solve the problem, with no consensus on the correctness of the initial integral setup or the alternative methods proposed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective solution strategy.

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Participants have not reached agreement on the assumptions or methods used in their calculations, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the initial integral setup. The discussion includes various approaches that may depend on specific interpretations of the problem's parameters.

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I'm trying to just find the hydrostatic force on the hinge of the gate in the image attached, and while not labeled, the thickness out of the page is ##w=5##. My thoughts are to set up this integral $$\vec{F}_p = \iint \rho g y \hat{n}\, dA = w \rho g \int_0^8 y \left( \frac{-dx\hat{i}+dy\hat{j}}{\sqrt{dx^2+dy^2}} \right)\, \sqrt{dx^2+dy^2}\\
= w \rho g \int_0^8 y \left(-dx\hat{i}+dy\hat{j} \right)\\
= w \rho g \int_0^8 y \left(y'(x)\hat{j}-1\hat{i} \right) \, dx\\
=5\cdot 64 \int_0^8 \left(9 + \frac{3 x}{4}\right)(\frac{3}{4}\hat{j}-\hat{i})\, dx\\
=-30720 \hat{i} + 23040 \hat{j}$$
where the magnitude of the last expression gives me the correct answer of the magnitude of ##\vec{F}_p=38,400## lbf. So when finding the force on the hinge I would say it is simply ##-30720 \hat{i} + 23040 \hat{j}## but the book says something else. Where am I going wrong?
 

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joshmccraney said:
Where am I going wrong?

Some of the force on the gate is supported by the non hinged end (at A). Taking moments about point A is probably the quickest way to find the force on the hinge.
 
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Thanks, your response makes perfect sense! Could you help me set up this integral if the water was instead below the gate?
 
Problem in #1 can be solved in a few lines using basic trig and simple arithmetic ?
 
Josh,

What Nidum is referring to is this: Draw a dashed horizontal line from point A to the left, and draw a dashed vertical line from point B vertically upward. Then consider the fluid contained in the region between the gate and the dashed lines. Do a force balance on this fluid in the horizontal and vertical directions. This will quickly give you the horizontal and vertical components of the force exerted by the gate on the fluid (and, by Newton's 3rd law, the fluid on the gate).
 

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