Ideal gas law and thermodyanimic processes

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The discussion revolves around an ideal gas contained in a cylinder with a movable piston, focusing on the relationships between pressure, volume, temperature, and entropy during a rapid process where no heat exchange occurs.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the final pressure and temperature using the ideal gas law and considers the change in entropy for an isothermal process. Some participants question the requirement for expressing the entropy change in specific terms, while others suggest numerical substitutions for the logarithmic expression.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of how to express the change in entropy. There is no explicit consensus on the correct format for the answer, and some participants are considering reaching out to the professor for clarification.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem requires answers in terms of specific variables (p1, T1, n, R), which has led to confusion regarding the correct representation of the entropy change.

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Homework Statement


An ideal gas is enclosed in a cylinder with a movable piston at the top. The walls of the cylinder are insulated, so no heat can enter or exit. The gas initially occupies volume V1 and has pressure p1 and temperature T1. The piston is then moved very rapidly to a volume of V2=8.5V1. The process happens so rapidly that the enclosed gas does not do any work.

Find p2, T2, and the change in entropy of the gas. [Express your answers in terms of p1, T1, n, and R.]


Homework Equations


p1V1=p2V2
pV=nRT
ΔS=nRln(Vf/Vi)

The Attempt at a Solution



To determine p2 I used the relationship p1V1=p2V2

p2=(p1V1)/V2

p2=(p1V1)/(8.5V1)

p2=(p1)/8.5


To determine T2 we see that the process itself is an isothermal process since no work was done, and no heat escaped, Q=W. So the temperature will not have changed.
T2=T1


I can't seem to determine ΔS correctly. Since the process is an isothermal expansion, the change in entropy is given by the equation

ΔS=nRln(V2/V1)

from this I can substitute 8.5V1 for V2, resulting in

ΔS=nRln((8.5)V1/V1)

ΔS=nRln(8.5)

This answer however, is incorrect. The problem asks to put in the answer in terms of p1, T1, n, R. The format of this question is a blank field that allows me to create an equation with subscripts, superscripts, fractions, matrices, etc. FYI.

Any help is appreciated, thanks in advance.
 
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Maybe they want you to put a number in for ln(8.50)?
 
I tried putting

nR(2.14) but that was also incorrect
 
castrodisastro said:
I tried putting

nR(2.14) but that was also incorrect
I don't know what to say. That's the answer I would have obtained. Maybe 2.14nR, as if that could possibly matter.
 
I am going to have to email the professor about it then. Thank you
 

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