Ideal Gas Under A (Complex) Reversible Process

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The discussion revolves around analyzing a reversible process of an ideal gas through various stages, specifically focusing on calculating total heat received and the change in enthalpy. Participants have calculated pressures and volumes at different points but face challenges due to the complexity of the process and the need to eliminate variables like temperature and the number of moles. Clarifications on the types of processes (isobaric, isochoric, isothermal) are sought to better understand the problem. Suggestions include plotting the pressure-volume diagram and using the relationships between work, internal energy, and heat to systematically solve for the unknowns. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the thermodynamic principles governing the ideal gas behavior throughout the process.
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Homework Statement


An ideal gas undergoes a reversible process 1-2-3-4-5. The stage from 1-2 as well as isobaric 2-3 and isochoric 4-5 stages are represented by linear segments. The Stage 2-3 is isothermal. The following relations are true:

V_2=2*V_1
p_2=1.5*p_1
V_3=4*V_1
V_4=6*V_1
T_5=T_1

The initial states are V_1=3m^3 and p_1 = 2.5 atm.
Assuming that the internal energy of an ideal gas depends only on temperature, find the total heat received by the gas during the entire process also find change in enthalpy (H_1-H_5).



Homework Equations



pv=nRT

dw=p(v)dv

dw=pdv (isobaric)

dw=nRT*ln(v_f-v_i) isothermic

Q=U+W

H=U+pV

U=n*c_v*T+n*u_0 *****

The Attempt at a Solution



So far I have calculated all the pressures and volumes for all points (in atm and m^3):
P_1=3
V_1=2.5
p_2=3.75
V_2=6
p_3=1.875
V_3=12
p_4=1.875
V_4=18
p_5=5/12
V_5=18

After that I started trying to find either n or T, but I am guessing the point of the problem is to solve it without those. So moving on to find Q total, I noticed that without T, this problem involves at least 4 unknowns. So my troubles come in calculating the work from 1-2 since pressure is non constant and not any special type of process, and from eliminating n and T from the equation for q total.

****This is also the chapter in the book before we talk about the energy of an ideal gas, so I am assuming that we are not to use that equation, but just in case there it is.
 
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You need to clarify what stages are isobaric, isochoric, isothermal, adiabatic, etc. better. I'm royally confused.

Linear segments on what type of plot?
 
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Sorry about that just tried to copy the problem word for word. But looks like I made a mistake typing, sorry about that.

Isochoric- 4-5
Isobaric- 3-4
Isothermal- 2-3
No specified adiabatic processes.

The plot is a P-V diagram.
 
memnoch3434 said:

Homework Statement


An ideal gas undergoes a reversible process 1-2-3-4-5. The stage from 1-2 as well as isobaric 2-3 and isochoric 4-5 stages are represented by linear segments. The Stage 2-3 is isothermal. The following relations are true:

V_2=2*V_1
p_2=1.5*p_1
V_3=4*V_1
V_4=6*V_1
T_5=T_1

The initial states are V_1=3m^3 and p_1 = 2.5 atm.
Assuming that the internal energy of an ideal gas depends only on temperature, find the total heat received by the gas during the entire process also find change in enthalpy (H_1-H_5).



Homework Equations



pv=nRT

dw=p(v)dv

dw=pdv (isobaric)

dw=nRT*ln(v_f-v_i) isothermic

Q=U+W

H=U+pV

U=n*c_v*T+n*u_0 *****

The Attempt at a Solution



So far I have calculated all the pressures and volumes for all points (in atm and m^3):
P_1=3
V_1=2.5
p_2=3.75
V_2=6
p_3=1.875
V_3=12
p_4=1.875
V_4=18
p_5=5/12
V_5=18

After that I started trying to find either n or T, but I am guessing the point of the problem is to solve it without those. So moving on to find Q total, I noticed that without T, this problem involves at least 4 unknowns. So my troubles come in calculating the work from 1-2 since pressure is non constant and not any special type of process, and from eliminating n and T from the equation for q total.

****This is also the chapter in the book before we talk about the energy of an ideal gas, so I am assuming that we are not to use that equation, but just in case there it is.


By the end of your last chapter, I assume it discussed Cv and Cp. Because unless it avoided the adiabatic equation pV^γ = constant, it had to mention that γ = Cp/Cv.

By definition, Cv =∂U/∂T|V but since U = U(T only), then Cv = dU/dT.


My first suggestion is to plot all your p's and V's on your p-V diagram.
Then: what is ∆W on a p-V diagram when any two states are plotted?
Can you readily see what ∫pdV and ∫Vdp are on your diagram?

Combine the plot with dU = dQ - dW and pV = nRT and you can proceed step-by-step thru all 5 states & arrive at ∆U.

Then of course ∆H is immediately available since you now know p5 and V5.
 
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