If atoms are neutral, how do they share electrons

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of how neutral atoms can share electrons, particularly in the context of ionic and covalent bonding. Participants explore the underlying electrostatic interactions that facilitate these processes, as well as the stability of molecular formations compared to individual atoms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the notion that atoms act based on desires, emphasizing that their interactions are governed by electrostatic forces.
  • Another participant suggests that the stability of a hydrogen molecule compared to separate hydrogen atoms is a key aspect of the discussion.
  • It is proposed that while atoms are neutral overall, they can still exert attractive forces due to the arrangement of their electron orbitals.
  • A participant describes how an atom's electrons are arranged to balance the positive charge of the nucleus, and how proximity to another atom can create conditions for covalent or ionic bonding.
  • One response critiques the idea of a 'weak spot' in an atom, suggesting that electron clouds adapt to each other as atoms approach, leading to a stable bonding configuration.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the electric field is zero at large separations and becomes attractive as atoms come closer, with the specifics depending on the elements involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of electron sharing and bonding, with no consensus reached on the best way to conceptualize these interactions.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about atomic behavior and the nature of electron interactions that may not be universally accepted. The explanations provided rely on specific interpretations of atomic structure and bonding that could vary among participants.

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If atoms are neutral, then how do they share electrons with each other? In the ionic bonding the metal requires very little energy do release its valence electrons, but once they are free, I don't see a force of attraction from the non metal nucleus because it is balanced. Don't tell me "Because non metal atoms want to have their shell complete" because I know atoms ain't persons, they don't have wishes, they act on the basis of electrostatic interactions.

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So basically you are asking why hydrogen molecule is more stable than two separate hydrogen atoms, yes?
 
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The atom is only neutral as seen from a large distance. It still has an attractive force in places where parts of the other electron orbitals are outside.
 
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So basicaly an atom with 9 protons has attracted 9 electrons which arrange around the nucleus (in orbitals) in such a way that they are as far from one another as possible and at the same time they surround the nucleus in such a way that they ballance its positive charge. When another atom happens to get really close to the first one, it might find a weak spot in the first atom where for a brief moment the field is positive. And that positive field would attract vallance electrons from the first atom, forming covalent bonds and if that field is strong enough it could rip the excess electrons and then the atoms become ionized and stick together forming what's known as ionic bond. That's how i understand it.
 
Genji Shimada said:
as far from one another as possible and at the same time they surround the nucleus in such a way that they ballance its positive charge
The electrons tend to repel each other, but the stable configurations (probability distributions, or atomic orbitals as you might know them) don't place the electrons as far as possible from one another.

Genji Shimada said:
When another atom happens to get really close to the first one, it might find a weak spot in the first atom where for a brief moment the field is positive.
A 'weak spot' might not be the best way to think about it. The approach of one atom to another from infinity to the equilibrium bond length is usually energetically monotonic in the adiabatic limit. In other words, it's better to realize that when one atom approaches another slowly, its electron cloud adapts its shape to the incoming perturbation from the other atom's electrons, and vice versa. This lowers the energy of the system, and the atoms continue on their approaching, energy-lowering path until a stable bonding configuration is reached.
 
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There is no brief moment involved. If you calculate the electric field, it is zero for large separations, and attractive as soon as you get to the outermost orbitals with the radius considered. Where and how much exactly depends on the element.
 
I understand, thanks!
 

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