Implicit and explicit solution for a given initial-value problem

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The discussion revolves around solving an initial-value problem involving a differential equation of the form x² dy/dx = y - xy, with initial conditions specified as y(-1) = -1. Participants are exploring methods to separate variables and integrate to find a solution for y.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the separation of variables and express uncertainty about manipulating the equation, particularly regarding the division by y and its implications on the integration process. There is a focus on ensuring the correct form of the equation is maintained while attempting to integrate.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the integration process and clarified the treatment of terms when dividing by y. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these manipulations, with no explicit consensus reached on the best approach yet.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the initial conditions provided and are navigating the complexities of the differential equation without a complete resolution to their queries.

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The equation is:
x2 dy/dx= y - xy
IC (initial conditions): y(-1) = -1 (This is used to solve for C)
Must first separate the variables x and y and then integrate them and solve for y, but I got stuck...

x2dy = (y - xy)dx
x2dy = y(1-x)dx
dy= y(1-x)dx/x2 <-- not sure what to do with the y now... I figure I could divide everything by y so I could bring it to the left side but the right side would have dx/y

The answer is y = e-(1+1/x)/x
 
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Cheruby said:
The equation is:
x2 dy/dx= y - xy
IC (initial conditions): y(-1) = -1 (This is used to solve for C)
Must first separate the variables x and y and then integrate them and solve for y, but I got stuck...

x2dy = (y - xy)dx
x2dy = y(1-x)dx
dy= y(1-x)dx/x2 <-- not sure what to do with the y now... I figure I could divide everything by y so I could bring it to the left side but the right side would have dx/y

The answer is y = e-(1+1/x)/x

You are doing it right, but when you divide by Y you will have dy/y, and that is perfectly acceptable. The right side you will have (1-x)/x^2 dx. Then integrate both sides.
 
Jackx said:
You are doing it right, but when you divide by Y you will have dy/y, and that is perfectly acceptable. The right side you will have (1-x)/x^2 dx. Then integrate both sides.

But wouldn't the right side have dx/y? That's why I'm stuck, I'm not sure if it's acceptable!
 
dx can be treated as just another factor on the right side. So since they are all factors when you divide by y the y just goes away on the right side.

Now if it was y + (whatever)dx, then yes if you divided by y you would have a dx/y.
 
Alright thank you Jackx
 

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