What is the Relationship Between Mu and Theta in the Inclined Plane Problem?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the coefficients of friction (mu) and the angle of inclination (theta) in the inclined plane problem. It is established that the forces acting on an object include gravity, normal force, friction, and a pulling force, leading to the equation F = mg(μcos(θ) + sin(θ)). The critical point is derived by setting the derivative of this equation with respect to theta to zero, resulting in μ = cot(θ) and tan(θ) = 1/μ. There is a debate regarding whether the derived condition represents a maximum or minimum value, with one participant asserting that it indicates a minimum value for mu. The conversation emphasizes the distinction between local maxima and minima in the context of extrema.
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i chose d

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tricky_tick said:
can you please explain how you arrived at that conclusion?

You have four forces. Suppose the x-acis is along the ramp and the force F for pulling the object is aligned along this x-axis. Y-axis perpendicular to x-axis.

gravity
-mg\sin(\theta)*e_{x} - mg\cos(\theta)*e_{y}

normal force
N * e_{y}

friction
-{\mu}N*e_{x}

pull-force
F*e_{x}

The sum of y-componets yield :

N = mg\cos(\theta)

The sum of x-componets yield :

-{\mu}N -mg\sin(\theta) + F = 0

So we have that F = {\mu}mg\cos(\theta) + mg\sin(\theta)

or F = mg(\mu\cos(\theta) + \sin(\theta))

let's take the derivative with respect to the angle theta and set this equal to 0. Thus we get :

0 = mg(-{\mu}\sin(\theta) + \cos(\theta))
or
0 =-{\mu}\sin(\theta) + \cos(\theta)

or
\mu = \frac {\cos(\theta)}{\sin(\theta)} = \cot(\theta)
Thus \tan(\theta) = \frac {1}{\mu}

marlon.
 
Answer d yields a maximum value of Work. We are looking for a minimum value.
 
tricky_tick said:
Answer d yields a maximum value of Work. We are looking for a minimum value.

please prove your statement...

marlon
 
marlon said:
please prove your statement...

marlon

Besides i disagree because the first derivative is zero in \mu = \cot(\theta)

Yet if \mu > \cot(\theta) then thefirst derivative is negative
Yet if \mu < \cot(\theta) then the first derivative is positive

So the mu corrsponds to a minimal value here. You are mixing extrema with maxima. An extremum is a general name for both local max and min values of a function
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