Inclined throw in a vertical loop

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A small ball rotating in a vertical loop of radius R must maintain a minimum velocity to stay in the loop, calculated as V = √(gR). When the loop is cut at an angle α, the ball must be projected at the correct angle to fall back into the loop. The energy equations reveal that the horizontal distance covered during the inclined throw must equal the distance between the cut point and the loop. The final calculations indicate that α should equal 120°, as derived from solving the corrected equation for cos(α/2). The discussion highlights the importance of accurate calculations in determining the angle for the ball to successfully return to the loop.
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Homework Statement


A small ball rotates in a vertical loop of radius R. it's velocity is the minimal required to stay in the loop.
Now the loop is cut at an angle ##\alpha## and the ball shoots out of it.
Express ##\alpha## so that the ball falls back into the loop and continues turning.

Homework Equations


The horizontal distance in an inclined throw: ##x=\frac{V^2\sin(2\theta)}{g}##
The acceleration in circular movement: ##a=\frac{V^2}{R}##

The Attempt at a Solution


The velocity at the highest point, so it won't fall: ##V=\sqrt{gR}##
The difference between the highest point and the cut in the loop, point A: ##h=R\left(1-\cos\frac{\alpha}{2}\right)##
Energies between the highest point and A:
$$\frac{mgR}{2}=-mgR\left(1-\cos\frac{\alpha}{2}\right)+\frac{mV^2}{2}$$
$$\rightarrow V^2=gR\left(3-2\cos\frac{\alpha}{2}\right)$$
Our horizontal distance:
$$x=2R\sin\left(\frac{\alpha}{2}\right)$$
The throw angle ##\theta## is ##\frac{\alpha}{2}##
The horizontal distance at inclined throw with our velocity and angle:
$$x=\frac{gR\left(3-2\cos\frac{\alpha}{2}\right)\sin \alpha}{g}=R\left(3-2\cos\frac{\alpha}{2}\right)\sin \alpha$$
This distance equals the distance between points A and B:
$$R\left(3-2\cos\frac{\alpha}{2}\right)\sin \alpha=2R\sin\left(\frac{\alpha}{2}\right)$$
$$4\cos^2\frac{\alpha}{2}-6cos\frac{\alpha}{2}+1=0$$
And it's wrong, it should be ##\alpha=120^0##
 

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I made a mistake. the last formula should be:
$$2\cos^2\frac{\alpha}{2}-3\cos\frac{\alpha}{2}+1=0$$
$$\alpha=90^0$$
And it should be 120
 
There are two roots for cos(a/2). One is 1, but that corresponds to a vertical throw. The other is cos(a/2)=1/2, that is alpha/2 = 60°, alpha= 120°.

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