Induced Electric and Magnetic Fields Creating Each Other

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between varying electric and magnetic fields, particularly how they induce each other according to Maxwell's equations. Participants explore the implications of these interactions, questioning the nature of the electromagnetic field and how to calculate resultant fields in scenarios involving sinusoidal variations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a varying electric field creates an induced magnetic field, which in turn induces another electric field, leading to a potentially infinite series of fields.
  • Another participant counters this by stating that there is only one electromagnetic field, which can be interpreted as both electric and magnetic components, and that no extra fields are created.
  • A further reply emphasizes that the relationship between electric and magnetic components is not simply causal and that the interpretation of Maxwell's equations should consider the entire electromagnetic field rather than isolated components.
  • One participant introduces Jefimenko's equations to argue that the electromagnetic field is fundamentally caused by charge and current distributions, rather than by the interaction of electric and magnetic fields alone.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the nature of the electromagnetic field and the implications of varying electric and magnetic fields. There is no consensus on whether the interaction leads to an infinite series of fields or if it is a single unified field.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of interpreting Maxwell's equations and the dependence on the frame of reference. The discussion also touches on the limitations of viewing electric and magnetic fields as causing each other in a straightforward manner.

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Hi,

We know that a varying magnetic field creates and induced electric field, and a varying electric field creates an induced magnetic field.

If there is a varying electric field (let's say sinusoidal), then this electric field creates an induced magnetic field. And if this produced magnetic field varies, then it produces an induced electric field. This produced electric field again (if varies) produced another magnetic field and so on. So eventually, we will have an infinite number of electric and magnetic fields. How can we calculate the resultant electric field and the resultant magnetic field? Do Maxwell's equations give the resultant fields, or should we add them by some way?

Thank you.
 
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bgq said:
If there is a varying electric field (let's say sinusoidal), then this electric field creates an induced magnetic field.
Yes. We usually call this light, or electromagnetic radiation generally.

Your "infinite number of electric and magnetic fields" isn't right, though. There's only one EM field, which you can interpret as an electric and a magnetic field. If you care to look at it that way, the electric field is induced by the magnetic field and vice versa. There are no extra fields created anywhere.
 
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Ibix said:
Yes. We usually call this light, or electromagnetic radiation generally.

Your "infinite number of electric and magnetic fields" isn't right, though. There's only one EM field, which you can interpret as an electric and a magnetic field. If you care to look at it that way, the electric field is induced by the magnetic field and vice versa. There are no extra fields created anywhere.
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This is a very common misconception. As can be seen from formulating Maxwell's equations in its natural way as a relativistic field theory one sees that there is one electromagnetic field which can be described by electric and magnetic field components, but this is dependent on the (inertial) frame of reference you perform this split. Only all components together build a physically interpretible observable, the electromagnetic field.

Maxwell's equations also show that you cannot easily interpret the relation between electric and magnetic components in a fixed inertial reference frame as "causing each other". The correct interpretation of, e.g., Faraday's Law
$$\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E}=-\frac{1}{c} \partial_t \vec{B}$$
is that an electromagnetic field with time-dependent magnetic components implies that there must be electric components forming a vortex, but it does NOT say that the time dependence of the magnetic field causes an electric vortex field or vice versa.

It's of course possible to try to solve for (the solenoidal part of) ##\vec{E}## in terms of ##\partial_t \vec{B}##, but finally this leads to complicated non-local relations, which are not of much use for a physical interpretation.

What is causing an electromagnetic field are rather the charge and current distributions. That's clear from looking at "Jefimenko's equations", which express the electromagnetic field as retarded (causal!) integrals over the charge and current distributions (and their derivatives).
 

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