Insight/Intuition into rotations in R²

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding rotation matrices in R², specifically the intuitive and geometric interpretations of the transformations represented by the equations for rotating points in a two-dimensional space. Participants express a desire for visual explanations rather than algebraic proofs.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in grasping the intuitive understanding of rotation matrices and seeks a simpler, visual explanation for the terms involved in the transformation equations.
  • Another participant suggests that the contribution of y to x and vice versa is to maintain the correct distance to the origin, although this interpretation is questioned by the original poster.
  • A third participant provides a link to a video, implying it may help clarify the concepts discussed.
  • Another participant offers a mathematical explanation involving projections and orthogonal components, noting the relationship between changes in y' and x' during rotation.
  • There is a request for further elaboration on the drawing mentioned by the original poster, indicating a need for clarification on visual representations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the best way to intuitively understand rotation matrices, with multiple viewpoints and approaches being presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express a preference for geometric or visual explanations over algebraic proofs, indicating a potential limitation in the mathematical background or comfort level with formal proofs.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals seeking to understand rotation matrices in a geometric context, particularly those who prefer visual learning methods over algebraic reasoning.

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I've been using rotation matrices for quite some time now without fully grasping them. Whenever I tried to develop an intuitive understanding of...<br /> x&#039; = x\cos\theta - y\sin\theta \\<br /> y&#039; = x\sin\theta + y \cos\theta<br />... I failed and gave up. I've looked at numerous online texts and videos, but following the step-by-step explanations didn't lead to me seeing the whole picture as I had hoped.

Could someone explain to me (like I'm 5 years old), why -y\sin\theta and x\sin\theta are used to affect the value along the other axis?

Looking at the following picture (pardon the quality):
drawing.png

Is the contribution of y to x and vice versa there, to ensure that P maintains the correct distance to the origin, or is that a misguided simplification of mine? The yellow line cannot be sin + cos (Pythagorean theorem) yet I may combine these two to get x&#039; and y&#039;. Do you see where my gap in understanding lies? Is there a drawing that could clarify how these terms combine to give the correct value we observe? Algebraic proofs don't work with me I'm afraid, I need a geometric/visual explanation.
 
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The component ##\left(\begin{smallmatrix}x\cos\theta\\y\cos\theta\end{smallmatrix}\right)## represents the projection of ##\left(\begin{smallmatrix}x'\\y'\end{smallmatrix}\right)## onto the original vector ##\left(\begin{smallmatrix}x\\y\end{smallmatrix}\right)##. The other component (the "rejection") should therefore have magnitude ##|\sqrt{x^2+y^2}\sin\theta|## and be orthogonal to the projection. There are two unique solutions for such a vector.

Finally, when ##\theta## is nonzero but less than a straight angle, an increase in ##y'## corresponds to a decrease in ##x'##; i.e., the x-component of the rejection should be negative. (This condition is equivalent to a choice of orientation on ##\mathbb{R}^2##.) This tells us which solution is the desired one.

As for your drawing, I don't quite understand what you mean. Could you elaborate?
 

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