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The discussion revolves around finding the function f(x) defined by an integral equation involving cosine terms and constants. The problem is situated in the context of calculus, specifically dealing with integrals and differential equations.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the use of integration by parts and the fundamental theorem of calculus but express confusion regarding the cosine term in the integral. Some suggest rewriting the cosine function to facilitate solving the integral. Others propose examining derivatives of f(x) to identify a potential differential equation.

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There are multiple lines of reasoning being explored, with participants attempting to derive expressions for A and B based on integrals involving f(t). Some guidance has been offered regarding the evaluation of integrals and the relationships between A and B, but no consensus on the final form of f(x) has been reached.

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Participants note that the problem is part of a high school examination context, which may impose certain constraints on the methods available for solving the problem. There is also a recognition that the original equations may not yield straightforward solutions without further manipulation.

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Homework Statement


Find f(x) if:(a∈R)
$$f(x)=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}f(t)cos(at-2ax)dt+1$$

Homework Equations


$$f(x)=\int_{a}^{b}f(t)dt=F(a)-F(b)$$
$$\int{udv}=uv-\int{vdu}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to use the fundamental of calculus and integration by parts but they don't have answer. Because cos(at-2ax) confuses me.
Thank for helping
 
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Hamal_Arietis said:

Homework Statement


Find f(x) if:(a∈R)
$$f(x)=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}f(t)cos(at-2ax)dt+1$$

Homework Equations


$$f(x)=\int_{a}^{b}f(t)dt=F(a)-F(b)$$
$$\int{udv}=uv-\int{vdu}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to use the fundamental of calculus and integration by parts but they don't have answer. Because cos(at-2ax) confuses me.
Thank for helping

The fundamental theorem may not help, since you don't know an antiderivative of f.

Instead use \cos(at - 2ax) = \cos(at)\cos(2ax) + \sin(at)\sin(2ax) to obtain <br /> f(x) = 1 + \cos(2ax)\int_0^{\pi/a}f(t)\cos(at)\,dt + \sin(2ax)\int_0^{\pi/a}f(t)\sin(at)\,dt. Now set A = \int_0^{\pi/a} f(t) \cos(at)\,dt, B = \int_0^{\pi/a} f(t) \sin(at)\,dt so that f(t) = 1 + A\cos(2at) + B\sin(2at) and you can obtain a pair of simultaneous equations to be solved for A and B.
 
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pasmith said:
so that ##f(t)=1+Acos(2at)+Bsin(2at)f(t)=1+Acos⁡(2at)+Bsin⁡(2at)f(t) = 1 + A\cos(2at) + B\sin(2at) ##and you can obtain a pair of simultaneous equations to be solved for A and B.
Thanks, I understood. Another equation is:
$$f(t)=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}f(t)cos(at)dt+1=A+1$$
But we must find f(t), A, B while we have 2 equations?
 
Oh, I see:
$$A=Acos(2at)+Bsin(2at)$$
$$A(1-cos(2at))=Bsin(2at)$$
$$2Acos^2(at)=2Bsin(at)cos(at)$$
$$cos(at)(Acos(at)-Bsin(at))=0$$
So we have:
$$\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}f(t)cos^2(at)dt=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}f(t)sin^2(at)dt \Rightarrow f(t)cos^2(at)=f(t)sin^2(at)\Leftrightarrow f(t)=0 ∨ at=\frac{\pi}{4}+k\pi (k∈Z)$$
So the answer is:
$$f(x)=\frac{\pi}{a}+1$$
Is this right?
 
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Hamal_Arietis said:

Homework Statement


Find f(x) if:(a∈R)
$$f(x)=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}f(t)cos(at-2ax)dt+1$$

Homework Equations


$$f(x)=\int_{a}^{b}f(t)dt=F(a)-F(b)$$
$$\int{udv}=uv-\int{vdu}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to use the fundamental of calculus and integration by parts but they don't have answer. Because cos(at-2ax) confuses me.
Thank for helping

Try looking at ##f'(x)## and ##f''(x)##, to see if ##f(x)## obeys a simple differential equation.
 
Hamal_Arietis said:
Oh, I see:
$$A=Acos(2at)+Bsin(2at)$$
Where did this come from?

$$\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}f(t)cos^2(at)dt=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}f(t)sin^2(at)dt \Rightarrow f(t)cos^2(at)=f(t)sin^2(at)$$
No. You can't infer that because the two integrals are equal the two integrands are equal.

What pasmith suggested was you have an expression for f(t) in terms of A and B. Plug that into the expressions that define what A and B are and evaluate the integrals. You'll end up with two equations which you can solve for A and B.
 
Hamal_Arietis said:
Oh, I see:
$$A=Acos(2at)+Bsin(2at)$$
$$A(1-cos(2at))=Bsin(2at)$$
$$2Acos^2(at)=2Bsin(at)cos(at)$$
$$cos(at)(Acos(at)-Bsin(at))=0$$
So we have:
$$\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}f(t)cos^2(at)dt=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}f(t)sin^2(at)dt \Rightarrow f(t)cos^2(at)=f(t)sin^2(at)\Leftrightarrow f(t)=0 ∨ at=\frac{\pi}{4}+k\pi (k∈Z)$$
So the answer is:
$$f(x)=\frac{\pi}{a}+1$$
Is this right?

No, it is not right. I suggest you go back and look at post #5.
 
vela said:
Where did this come from?No. You can't infer that because the two integrals are equal the two integrands are equal.

What pasmith suggested was you have an expression for f(t) in terms of A and B. Plug that into the expressions that define what A and B are and evaluate the integrals. You'll end up with two equations which you can solve for A and B.
Both equations are:
$$f(t)=A+1$$
$$f(t)=1+Acos(2at)+Bsin(2at)$$
So ##A=Acos(2at)+Bsin(2at)##
and I transfer it into:
$$\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}f(t)cos^2(at)dt=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}f(t)sin^2(at)dt$$
 
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Ray Vickson said:
Try looking at ##f'(x)## and ##f''(x)##, to see if ##f(x)## obeys a simple differential equation.
I try to find f'(x) by the fundamental of calculus before but it don't have answer
 
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Hamal_Arietis said:
I try to find f'(x) by the fundamental of calculus before but it don't have answer

You can find a formula for
$$\frac{d}{dx} \int_a^b h(x,t) \, dt$$
It has nothing to do with the fundamental theorem of calculus.
 
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Ray Vickson said:
You can find a formula for
$$\frac{d}{dx} \int_a^b h(x,t) \, dt$$
It has nothing to do with the fundamental theorem of calculus.
Sorry, I don't understand your idea. Can you give me some document about it?. This problem is an examination for high school students to entrance university. I have learned that:
If ##F(x)=\int_a^xf(t)dt## then:
$$\frac{d}{dx}F(x)=\frac{d}{dx}\int_a^xf(t)dt=f(x)$$
 
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Hamal_Arietis said:
Both equations are:
$$f(t)=A+1$$
Where did this come from? Note the lefthand side depends on ##t##, but the righthand side is a constant. It doesn't look right to me.

You have ##f(t) = 1 + A \cos 2at + B \sin 2at## where ##A = \int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}f(t)\cos at\,dt##. Plug the expression for ##f(t)## into the definition of ##A## and evaluate the integral.
 
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vela said:
Where did this come from? Note the lefthand side depends on ##t##, but the righthand side is a constant. It doesn't look right to me.

You have ##f(t) = 1 + A \cos 2at + B \sin 2at## where ##A = \int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}f(t)\cos at\,dt##. Plug the expression for ##f(t)## into the definition of ##A## and evaluate the integral.
$$A=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}f(t)\cos at\,dt$$
$$A=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}( 1 + A \cos 2at + B \sin 2at)cos(at)dt$$
$$A=\frac{4B}{3a}$$
And $$B=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}( 1 + A \cos 2at + B \sin 2at)sin(at)dt$$
$$B=\frac{2}{a}+\frac{2A}{3a}=\frac{6+2A}{3a}$$
Then solve both equation:
$$A=\frac{24}{9a^2-8};B=\frac{18a}{9a^2-8}$$
 
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Hamal_Arietis said:
$$A=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}f(t)\cos at\,dt$$
$$A=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}( 1 + A \cos 2at + B \sin 2at)cos(at)dt$$
$$A=\frac{4B}{3a}$$
And $$B=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{a}}( 1 + A \cos 2at + B \sin 2at)sin(at)dt$$
$$B=\frac{2}{a}+\frac{2A}{3a}=\frac{6+2A}{3a}$$
Then solve both equation:
$$A=\frac{24}{9a^2-8};B=\frac{18a}{9a^2-8}$$
Almost OK: the ##B##-equation should be
$$B=\frac{2}{a} - \frac{2A}{3a},$$
which changes the final solution a bit.
 
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