Integrate ##\int\sqrt{4+x^2} dx##

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The discussion revolves around the integral ##\int\sqrt{4+x^2} dx##, which is categorized under calculus, specifically focusing on integration techniques involving substitutions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore different substitution methods, including hyperbolic functions and trigonometric identities. Questions arise about the validity of using ##x=2\cosh u## versus ##x=2\sinh u##, with some expressing skepticism about the latter's effectiveness.

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Participants are actively discussing various substitution methods and their implications. Some have provided insights into the effectiveness of hyperbolic versus trigonometric substitutions, while others are questioning the assumptions behind their choices. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Some participants note the importance of considering limits of integration and the implications of different substitutions on the integral's simplification.

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Homework Statement
$$\int \sqrt{4+x^2}
dx$$
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hyperbolic equations
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This is a textbook question...the steps to solution are pretty easy...they indicated use of;

##x=2\sinh u## that will realize

$$\int \sqrt{4+x^2} dx=\int 2\cosh u⋅ 2\cosh u du=4\cosh^2 u du$$

...from here the steps are pretty clear up to the required solution.

Ok to my question now; Could we also use;

##x=2\cosh u## instead of ##x=2\sinh u##?

Cheers
 
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chwala said:
Ok to my question now; Could we also use;

##x=2\cosh u## instead of ##x=2\sinh u##?

Cheers
That doesn't look so promising to me.
 
PeroK said:
That doesn't look so promising to me.
I thought it will be other way round...let me try and see what comes out of it...will share later. Cheers mate.
 
chwala said:
Ok to my question now; Could we also use;

##x=2\cosh u## instead of ##x=2\sinh u##?
No. The point is to rewrite ##\sqrt{4 + x^2} = \sqrt{4(1+\sinh^2(u))} = 2 \cosh(u)## using the hyperbolic one. If you would have attempted to use ##x = 2 \cosh(u)## instead you would have ended up with ##\sqrt{4 + x^2} = 2\sqrt{1+\cosh^2(u)}## and ##1 + \cosh^2(u)## does not have any particular simplification in terms of the hyperbolic one. If you would attempt to replace ##\cosh^2(u)## by ##\sinh^2(u)## using the hyperbolic one you would instead end up with ##2 + \sinh^2(u)##, which doesn't make you any happier.
 
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Another alternative is to use the substitution ##\tan(\theta) = \frac x 2##. This is based on drawing a right triangle with an acute angle ##\theta##, where the base is 2 and the side opposite is ##x##.

With this substitution, the integral ##\int \sqrt{x^2 + 4}~dx## becomes ##4\int \sec^3(\theta)~d\theta##, an integral so well-known there's a wikipedia article devoted to it.
 
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Mark44 said:
Another alternative is to use the substitution ##\tan(\theta) = \frac x 2##. This is based on drawing a right triangle with an acute angle ##\theta##, where the base is 2 and the side opposite is ##x##.

With this substitution, the integral ##\int \sqrt{x^2 + 4}~dx## becomes ##4\int \sec^3(\theta)~d\theta##, an integral so well-known there's a wikipedia article devoted to it.
Thanks @Mark44 Let me study on this approach...
 
The picture I was describing looks like this. The hypotenuse is ##\sqrt{x^2 + 4}##.
triangle.png
 
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Its a good rule of thumb to consider trigonometric substitutions when seeing the likes of ## \sqrt {a^2 \pm x^2}dx ##
When it's a +, consider secant, tangent;
when it's a - , consider sin, cos
Subbing ##u=ax## in each case, as
##1 \pm x^2## is " translatsble" to either of these.
Edit: Of course, consider the issue of limits of integration.
 
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Orodruin said:
No. The point is to rewrite ##\sqrt{4 + x^2} = \sqrt{4(1+\sinh^2(u))} = 2 \cosh(u)## using the hyperbolic one. If you would have attempted to use ##x = 2 \cosh(u)## instead you would have ended up with ##\sqrt{4 + x^2} = 2\sqrt{1+\cosh^2(u)}## and ##1 + \cosh^2(u)## does not have any particular simplification in terms of the hyperbolic one. If you would attempt to replace ##\cosh^2(u)## by ##\sinh^2(u)## using the hyperbolic one you would instead end up with ##2 + \sinh^2(u)##, which doesn't make you any happier.
correct! i just checked...i ended up with,

$$\int \sqrt{(8-4\sinh^2 u)}⋅ 2 \sinh u du$$...

not looking good!
 
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