Integration over a discontinuity

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral ∫(1/x)sin^2(x)dx from -a to a, focusing on the implications of discontinuity and convergence issues in the context of improper integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the symmetry of the integrand, noting that it is odd and suggesting that contributions from negative and positive intervals may cancel each other out. There are discussions about the validity of using Riemann sums and continuity arguments to justify the integral's evaluation.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confidence in the symmetry argument leading to a result of zero, while others emphasize the need to demonstrate boundedness on subintervals to support this conclusion. The conversation reflects a mix of agreement and further inquiry into the conditions required for the integral's evaluation.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of convergence issues with Mathematica and the need to handle the discontinuity at x=0 carefully. Participants also reference the behavior of sin(x) near zero and its implications for the integral.

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Homework Statement



Evaluate ∫(1/x)sin^2(x)dx from -a to a


The Attempt at a Solution



Mathematica doesn't want to evaluate this because of the lack of convergence.

I think it is zero. When we consider non-zero values of x in the associated riemann sum, the integrand is odd and so contributions from x and -x cancel out. I can make the Δx in the riemann sum arbitrarily small, so when we consider the step near zero, sin^2 x is almost exactly equal to x^2 and that term in the sum gets replaced to xΔx where x is very nearly zero as is delta x. In other words, the integral is zero.

Is this kind of reasoning valid?
 
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Yea, it is zero by symmetry. The integrand is odd (it obeys f(-x)=-f(x)) so the "negative area" accumulated from -a to 0 cancels out the "positive area" accumulated from 0 to a.
 
nrivera1 said:

Homework Statement



Evaluate ∫(1/x)sin^2(x)dx from -a to a


The Attempt at a Solution



Mathematica doesn't want to evaluate this because of the lack of convergence.

I think it is zero. When we consider non-zero values of x in the associated riemann sum, the integrand is odd and so contributions from x and -x cancel out. I can make the Δx in the riemann sum arbitrarily small, so when we consider the step near zero, sin^2 x is almost exactly equal to x^2 and that term in the sum gets replaced to xΔx where x is very nearly zero as is delta x. In other words, the integral is zero.

Is this kind of reasoning valid?
Yes, your reasoning is OK. More formally, we may write the integrand as
$$\frac{\sin^2(x)}{x} = \left(\frac{\sin(x)}{x}\right)\sin(x)$$
Both factors on the right hand side are continuous on [-a,a] (we continuously extend ##\sin(x)/x## to equal 1 at ##x = 0##), so their product is also continuous, hence integrable. Therefore, since the product is an odd function and we are integrating over [-a,a], the result is zero.
 
since f(0-)=f(0+)=0

this is no more of a problem than x^2/x would be

in fact x~sin(x) near zero
 
16180339887 said:
Yea, it is zero by symmetry. The integrand is odd (it obeys f(-x)=-f(x)) so the "negative area" accumulated from -a to 0 cancels out the "positive area" accumulated from 0 to a.
That's not enough by itself. You also have to show that the integral is bounded on all subintervals, otherwise the symmetry argument might equate to saying ∞-∞ = 0. Other posts in this thread cover that.
 

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