Integration over delta distribution

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Homework Statement


a) ∫δ( x² cos x) dx with x from -∞ to +∞
b) Integral over C, with C = unit circle
C δ(α-α0) a ds
a
=(1,1)

Homework Equations


a) δ(g(x)) =∑δ(x-xi)/|g'(xi)|
b)?

The Attempt at a Solution


a) g(x) = x² cosx
g'(x) = 2x cos x - x² sin x
xi = 0 and (2n+1)π/2
g'(0)=0 then what is 1/|g'(0)|??
 
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For (a), why are you calculating ##g'(x)##? The integral is simply equal to 1 if ##x^2\cos x## takes the value zero for any ##x\in(-\infty,\infty)## and 0 otherwise.

The same applies to (b). Assuming you are using ##\alpha## to represent the angle in a polar representation of the number plane (##\theta## would be more conventional, by the way), is there any value of ##\alpha## in ##[0,2\pi)## that is equal to ##\alpha_0##?
 
Thx, but I don't get it! Is there a way to show this? Or at least an explanation? I know the relation ∫δ(x-a) dx= θ(x-a) but I've never seen

∫δ(g(x)-a) dx =
  • 0 g(x) ≠a
  • 1 g(x)=a
 
lavidaenrosa said:
Thx, but I don't get it! Is there a way to show this? Or at least an explanation? I know the relation ∫δ(x-a) dx= θ(x-a) but I've never seen

∫δ(g(x)-a) dx =
  • 0 g(x) ≠a
  • 1 g(x)=a

There is a serious issue with (a), but first, let's simplify it. Around the positive zero ##x_n = (2n+1)\pi/2## of ##f(x) = x^2 \cos(x)## we have ##f(x) \approx f'(x_n) (x-x_n)##, so integration of ##\delta(f(x))## near there gives just ##1/f'(x_n)##, as you said. However, since f(x) is even, the corresponding term for ##x = -x_n## has ##f'(-x_n) = -f'(x_n)##, so the contributions from ##x = x_n## and ##x = -x_n## cancel.

So, all that matters is the value of ##\int_{-a}^a \delta(f(x)) \, dx## for small ##a > 0##, and this is where we run into trouble. For small ##|x|##, ##f(x)## looks like just plain ##x^2##, but the point is that its graph does not cross the x-axis; it grazes the x-axis from above, so one is essentially looking at ##2\int_0^a \delta(f(x)) \, dx##. This integrates only half of the ##\delta## function, so can either be regarded as non-existent, or can be looked at through a limiting procedure that gives ##\delta(\cdot)## in the limit. If you regard ##\delta(u)## as a limit of even functions ##f_n(u)##, then your "half-##\delta##" integral would be one half of the usual. However, one can equally well regard ##\delta(u)## as a limit of unsymmetrical (not even) functions ##f_n(u)##, in which case the "half-##\delta##" integral can be a fraction other than 1/2---basically, you can make it equal anything from 0 to 1 if you want to.

However, let's not overlook the fact that f(0) = 0 in your case.
 
ok, thx, and how do I take into account that f(0)=0?

And b)? I have still no clue
 
andrewkirk said:
For (a), why are you calculating ##g'(x)##? The integral is simply equal to 1 if ##x^2\cos x## takes the value zero for any ##x\in(-\infty,\infty)## and 0 otherwise.
This is not true, and I don't see how you got that.Another issue with (a) are the zeros of the cosine. We get a sum over 1/n which does not converge. You can find limits where the contributions cancel in a nice way, but that is an arbitrary limit procedure, and different ways would lead to different results

lavidaenrosa said:
And b)? I have still no clue
You can convert it to a one-dimensional integral and solve that.
(b) doesn't have the issues (a) has.
 
mfb said:
This is not true, and I don't see how you got that.Another issue with (a) are the zeros of the cosine. We get a sum over 1/n which does not converge. You can find limits where the contributions cancel in a nice way, but that is an arbitrary limit procedure, and different ways would lead to different results

You can convert it to a one-dimensional integral and solve that.
(b) doesn't have the issues (a) has.

In (a) we get a convergent series. At ##x = x_n = (2n+1)\pi/2## we get the contribution ##1/f'(x_n)##, where ##f(x) = x^2 \cos(x)##. Since ##f'(x_n) = -x_n^2 \sin(x_n) + 2 x_n \cos(x_n) = (-1)^n (\pi /2)^2 (2n+1)^2## we get the convergent series ##\sum c(-1)^n/(2n+1)^2##. Then, as I said in #4, the terms from positive ##x_n## are canceled by those at ##-x_n##, so the whole thing comes out as 0 (except, perhaps, for the part from ##x = 0##).
 
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Ah right, the sine term contributes, not the cosine. Sorry, my mistake. That just leaves the weird x=0 thing.
 
lavidaenrosa said:
ok, thx, and how do I take into account that f(0)=0?

And b)? I have still no clue

For (a): you tell me.
 
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Perhaps I have misunderstood your question. When you write:
lavidaenrosa said:
a) ∫δ( x² cos x) dx with x from -∞ to +∞
do you mean the definite integral
$$\int_{-\infty}^\infty\delta(x^2\cos x)\,dx$$
or are you looking for an indefinite integral?
 
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Andrewkirk: Yes, right, that's the one.
Ray vickson, I get the same series but still have this x=0 problem.
I still don't know what is the correct answer to this cuestion a)

b) I tried to convert it in an one-dimensional integral with polar coord.:
\int_C \delta (\vec{\alpha_0}-\vec{\alpha}) (1,1) d\vec{s} = \int_0^1 \int_0^{2 \pi}\delta (\vec{\alpha_0}-\vec{\alpha}) d\alpha dr = \int_0^{2 \pi}\delta (\vec{\alpha_0}-\vec{\alpha}) d\alpha... and again without knowing if this is correct and how to proceed.
 
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