Integration over delta distribution

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The discussion revolves around evaluating integrals involving the delta function, specifically ∫δ(x² cos x) dx over the interval from -∞ to +∞ and an integral over a unit circle involving a delta function. Participants explore the implications of the delta function in relation to the zeros of the function g(x) = x² cos x and its behavior at specific points.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity of calculating the derivative g'(x) and question the validity of certain assumptions regarding the integral's value based on the zeros of g(x). There are inquiries about how to handle the case when f(0) = 0 and the implications for the integral. Some participants suggest converting the problem into a one-dimensional integral using polar coordinates.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have offered insights into the behavior of the delta function and its implications for the integral, while others express confusion and seek further clarification on specific points, particularly regarding the treatment of f(0) and the overall evaluation of the integrals.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential issues with convergence in the series related to the zeros of the cosine function, and participants are grappling with how to properly account for these in their evaluations. The original poster's intent regarding the nature of the integral (definite vs. indefinite) is also under discussion.

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Homework Statement


a) ∫δ( x² cos x) dx with x from -∞ to +∞
b) Integral over C, with C = unit circle
C δ(α-α0) a ds
a
=(1,1)

Homework Equations


a) δ(g(x)) =∑δ(x-xi)/|g'(xi)|
b)?

The Attempt at a Solution


a) g(x) = x² cosx
g'(x) = 2x cos x - x² sin x
xi = 0 and (2n+1)π/2
g'(0)=0 then what is 1/|g'(0)|??
 
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For (a), why are you calculating ##g'(x)##? The integral is simply equal to 1 if ##x^2\cos x## takes the value zero for any ##x\in(-\infty,\infty)## and 0 otherwise.

The same applies to (b). Assuming you are using ##\alpha## to represent the angle in a polar representation of the number plane (##\theta## would be more conventional, by the way), is there any value of ##\alpha## in ##[0,2\pi)## that is equal to ##\alpha_0##?
 
Thx, but I don't get it! Is there a way to show this? Or at least an explanation? I know the relation ∫δ(x-a) dx= θ(x-a) but I've never seen

∫δ(g(x)-a) dx =
  • 0 g(x) ≠a
  • 1 g(x)=a
 
lavidaenrosa said:
Thx, but I don't get it! Is there a way to show this? Or at least an explanation? I know the relation ∫δ(x-a) dx= θ(x-a) but I've never seen

∫δ(g(x)-a) dx =
  • 0 g(x) ≠a
  • 1 g(x)=a

There is a serious issue with (a), but first, let's simplify it. Around the positive zero ##x_n = (2n+1)\pi/2## of ##f(x) = x^2 \cos(x)## we have ##f(x) \approx f'(x_n) (x-x_n)##, so integration of ##\delta(f(x))## near there gives just ##1/f'(x_n)##, as you said. However, since f(x) is even, the corresponding term for ##x = -x_n## has ##f'(-x_n) = -f'(x_n)##, so the contributions from ##x = x_n## and ##x = -x_n## cancel.

So, all that matters is the value of ##\int_{-a}^a \delta(f(x)) \, dx## for small ##a > 0##, and this is where we run into trouble. For small ##|x|##, ##f(x)## looks like just plain ##x^2##, but the point is that its graph does not cross the x-axis; it grazes the x-axis from above, so one is essentially looking at ##2\int_0^a \delta(f(x)) \, dx##. This integrates only half of the ##\delta## function, so can either be regarded as non-existent, or can be looked at through a limiting procedure that gives ##\delta(\cdot)## in the limit. If you regard ##\delta(u)## as a limit of even functions ##f_n(u)##, then your "half-##\delta##" integral would be one half of the usual. However, one can equally well regard ##\delta(u)## as a limit of unsymmetrical (not even) functions ##f_n(u)##, in which case the "half-##\delta##" integral can be a fraction other than 1/2---basically, you can make it equal anything from 0 to 1 if you want to.

However, let's not overlook the fact that f(0) = 0 in your case.
 
ok, thx, and how do I take into account that f(0)=0?

And b)? I have still no clue
 
andrewkirk said:
For (a), why are you calculating ##g'(x)##? The integral is simply equal to 1 if ##x^2\cos x## takes the value zero for any ##x\in(-\infty,\infty)## and 0 otherwise.
This is not true, and I don't see how you got that.Another issue with (a) are the zeros of the cosine. We get a sum over 1/n which does not converge. You can find limits where the contributions cancel in a nice way, but that is an arbitrary limit procedure, and different ways would lead to different results

lavidaenrosa said:
And b)? I have still no clue
You can convert it to a one-dimensional integral and solve that.
(b) doesn't have the issues (a) has.
 
mfb said:
This is not true, and I don't see how you got that.Another issue with (a) are the zeros of the cosine. We get a sum over 1/n which does not converge. You can find limits where the contributions cancel in a nice way, but that is an arbitrary limit procedure, and different ways would lead to different results

You can convert it to a one-dimensional integral and solve that.
(b) doesn't have the issues (a) has.

In (a) we get a convergent series. At ##x = x_n = (2n+1)\pi/2## we get the contribution ##1/f'(x_n)##, where ##f(x) = x^2 \cos(x)##. Since ##f'(x_n) = -x_n^2 \sin(x_n) + 2 x_n \cos(x_n) = (-1)^n (\pi /2)^2 (2n+1)^2## we get the convergent series ##\sum c(-1)^n/(2n+1)^2##. Then, as I said in #4, the terms from positive ##x_n## are canceled by those at ##-x_n##, so the whole thing comes out as 0 (except, perhaps, for the part from ##x = 0##).
 
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Ah right, the sine term contributes, not the cosine. Sorry, my mistake. That just leaves the weird x=0 thing.
 
lavidaenrosa said:
ok, thx, and how do I take into account that f(0)=0?

And b)? I have still no clue

For (a): you tell me.
 
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Perhaps I have misunderstood your question. When you write:
lavidaenrosa said:
a) ∫δ( x² cos x) dx with x from -∞ to +∞
do you mean the definite integral
$$\int_{-\infty}^\infty\delta(x^2\cos x)\,dx$$
or are you looking for an indefinite integral?
 
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Andrewkirk: Yes, right, that's the one.
Ray vickson, I get the same series but still have this x=0 problem.
I still don't know what is the correct answer to this cuestion a)

b) I tried to convert it in an one-dimensional integral with polar coord.:
[tex]\int_C \delta (\vec{\alpha_0}-\vec{\alpha}) (1,1) d\vec{s} = \int_0^1 \int_0^{2 \pi}\delta (\vec{\alpha_0}-\vec{\alpha}) d\alpha dr = \int_0^{2 \pi}\delta (\vec{\alpha_0}-\vec{\alpha}) d\alpha[/tex]... and again without knowing if this is correct and how to proceed.
 

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