Integration problem in trigonometric functions

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The discussion revolves around an integration problem involving trigonometric functions, specifically the integral ∫(1/(sinx + cosx)) dx. Participants are exploring various methods and substitutions to approach this integration challenge.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss different strategies for integrating the function, including separating terms and considering substitutions. There are suggestions to rationalize the expression and to use specific trigonometric identities. Some participants question the original formulation of the integral due to a misplacement of parentheses, which led to confusion about the problem's setup.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and alternative approaches. Some have pointed out potential methods, while others are awaiting further clarification from the original poster regarding their understanding and intent. There is recognition of the need for clearer communication in the problem statement.

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There is a noted confusion stemming from the original poster's notation, which has led to multiple interpretations of the integral. Participants are also considering the implications of using specific substitutions and identities in their approaches.

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Homework Statement



please help me with this integration problem?

∫(1/sinx+ cosx) dx

Homework Equations



i don't know any proper substitution in this question,maybe there are none

The Attempt at a Solution



i tried rationalizing and it has got me this far.. ∫(sinx-cosx)/[(sinx)^2 - (cosx^2)] dx...please help me
 
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better to integrate the terms separately. The cos(x) is no problem. The other term is csc(x). Here's how you go about it:

##\int## csc(x) dx =## \int## csc(x) ## \cdot \frac{csc x + cot x}{ csc x + cot x}##dx
use the substitution:

u = csc x + cot x

You say that's not obvious? Right -- it is a trick. There are thousands of them, worked out over many years by lots of smart mathematicians. This one is more commonplace than some.
 
kashan123999 said:

Homework Statement



please help me with this integration problem?

∫(1/sinx+ cosx) dx

Homework Equations



i don't know any proper substitution in this question,maybe there are none

The Attempt at a Solution



i tried rationalizing and it has got me this far.. ∫(sinx-cosx)/[(sinx)^2 - (cosx^2)] dx...please help me

brmath said:
better to integrate the terms separately. The cos(x) is no problem. The other term is csc(x). Here's how you go about it:

##\int## csc(x) dx =## \int## csc(x) ## \cdot \frac{csc x + cot x}{ csc x + cot x}##dx
use the substitution:

u = csc x + cot x

You say that's not obvious? Right -- it is a trick. There are thousands of them, worked out over many years by lots of smart mathematicians. This one is more commonplace than some.

brmath, I don't see that this will help.
I believe that this is the integral in question:
$$ \int \frac{dx}{sin(x) + cos(x)}$$

kashan, brmath interpreted what you wrote (1/sin(x)) + cos(x), which from your work, wasn't what you intended. To prevent this kind of confusion, place parentheses around the entire denominator, like this: 1/(sin(x) + cos(x))
 
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Mark44 said:
brmath, I don't see that this will help.
I believe that this is the integral in question:
$$ \int \frac{dx}{sin(x) + cos(x)}$$

kashan, brmath interpreted what you wrote (1/sin(x)) + cos(x), which from your work, wasn't what you intended. To prevent this kind of confusion, place parentheses around the entire denominator, like this: 1/(sin(x) + cos(x))

I did so interpret it. Sorry.
 
brmath said:
I did so interpret it. Sorry.

No need to apologize. You worked what was actually posted. kashan123999 caused the confusion with his improperly written post.
 
Yes, no need for apologies, brmath. It takes some practice here to understand what neophytes mean, as opposed to what they actually write. The only way I could figure out what the OP actually meant was from the work he showed.
 
hint
$$\frac{1}{\sin(x)+\cos(x)}=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\csc (x+\pi/4)
$$
 
lurflurf said:
hint
$$\frac{1}{\sin(x)+\cos(x)}=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\csc (x+\pi/4)
$$

As one of my calculus instructors was fond of saying, "Intuitively obvious to the most casual observer."
 
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lurflurf said:
hint
$$\frac{1}{\sin(x)+\cos(x)}=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\csc (x+\pi/4)
$$

Well then, this makes it quite simple doesn't it...
 
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Mark44 said:
As one of my calculus instructors was fond of saying, "Intuitively obvious to the most casual observer."

His idea of casual observer being not exactly applicable to people like me.
 
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Has anyone but me noticed the OP never returned to this thread?
 
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So let's hold with any more help until we hear back from the OP.
brmath said:
His idea of casual observer being not exactly applicable to people like me.
I assure you, he was speaking ironically...
 
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Mark44 said:
So let's hold with any more help until we hear back from the OP.

I assure you, he was speaking ironically...

of course he was speaking ironically -- so was I.
 
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I am extremely sorry for that misplacement of parenthesis that caused the whole confusion,very very sorry to all of you...it is yes it is actually ∫[1/(sinx + cosx)] dx so then,i have corrected it,can anyone tell me some easy or intuitive substitution,cause our teacher substituted 1 for some angle of sin i guess...and i am not able to grasp that...
 
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kashan123999 said:
I am extremely sorry for that misplacement of parenthesis that caused the whole confusion,very very sorry to all of you...it is yes it is actually ∫[1/(sinx + cosx)] dx so then,i have corrected it,can anyone tell me some easy or intuitive substitution,cause our teacher substituted 1 for some angle of sin i guess...and i am not able to grasp that...

Look at post #4 and post #8. Two different ways to attack the problem. You might have additional questions after looking at those posts.
 
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kashan123999 said:
I am extremely sorry for that misplacement of parenthesis that caused the whole confusion,very very sorry to all of you...it is yes it is actually ∫[1/(sinx + cosx)] dx so then,i have corrected it,can anyone tell me some easy or intuitive substitution,cause our teacher substituted 1 for some angle of sin i guess...and i am not able to grasp that...
From your step
(sinx-cosx)/[(sinx)^2 - (cosx^2)]
=sinx/[(sinx)^2 - (cosx^2)]-cosx/[(sinx)^2 - (cosx^2)]
you can substitute u=sin(x)in one and u=cos(x) in the other and use
1=sin^2(x)+cos^2(x)
and
the integration formula for 1/(1-a^2 x^2)
or use my identity above
$$\frac{1}{\sin(x)+\cos(x)}=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\csc (x+\pi/4)
$$
along with the integration formula for csc(x)
 
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