Intersection of Two Coplanar Lines in 3 Dimensions

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the relationship between two lines in three-dimensional space that lie in the same plane. The original poster presents a problem involving lines defined by points A, B, C, and D, and seeks to establish whether the lines are parallel or intersecting.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity for points A and B to be distinct and question the setup of the problem. There are attempts to equate parametric equations for the lines to find intersection points, but some participants express concerns about the validity of this approach. Others suggest that direction vectors need to be considered to determine parallelism.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some have provided insights into the nature of direction vectors and the conditions for parallel lines, while others are still grappling with how to derive a generalized expression for the intersection point.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted ambiguity regarding the coordinates of points A and B, with some participants clarifying that they should be distinct. The discussion also highlights the need to determine if the lines intersect in three-dimensional space before proceeding with further calculations.

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Homework Statement


Two lines in space are in the same plane. Line AB passes through points A(x,y,z) and B(x,y,z), and line CD passes through points C(x,y,z) and D(x,y,z). Determine if these two lines are parallel. If they are not, determine the x,y,z coordinates where these two lines intersect.

Homework Equations


The parametric equations for lines passing through points A and B are:

x = A_{x} + (B_{x}-A_{x})t
y = A_{y} + (B_{y}-A_{y})t
x = A_{z} + (B_{z}-A_{z})t

Symmetric equations for the same point:

\frac{x - A_{x}}{(B_{x}-A_{x})} = \frac{y - A_{y}}{(B_{y}-A_{y})} = \frac{z - A_{z}}{(B_{z}-A_{z})}

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried setting
x = A_{x} + (B_{x}-A_{x})t
and
x = C_{x} + (D_{x}-C_{x})t
equal. This resulted in:

t = \frac{C_{x}-A_{x}}{(B_{x}-A_{x})-(D_{x}-C_{x})}

When I worked this out, I got numbers that did not seem to fit. The symmetric equations did not seem to fit either. I also tried writing the equation down as:

z(x,y) = Ex + Fy + G

but this is for a surface.

I have a feeling the answer is pretty simple, but for some reason I'm not finding it it. Any help is appreciated.
 
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quick question do A and B have to have the same coordinates (x,y,z) or is that something you made up?
im thinking A and B should be distinct points like A = (x_{0},y_{0},z_{0}) and B=(x_{1},y_{1},z_{1})

or is that A and B having identical coords part of the question?

ok on to the question ... try writing down the equations of both the lines
to be parallel the direction vectors must be equal
 
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dimensionless said:
I tried setting
x = A_{x} + (B_{x}-A_{x})t
and
x = C_{x} + (D_{x}-C_{x})t
equal. This resulted in:

t = \frac{C_{x}-A_{x}}{(B_{x}-A_{x})-(D_{x}-C_{x})}

This won't work. There is no reason the parameter for line A-B has the same value as the parameter for line C-D at the point of intersection. Case in point: A=(1,0,0), B=(2,0,0), C=(0,-2,0), D=(0,-1,0). The lines A-B and C-D obviously intersect at the origin with different parameters 't'.

You first have to determine if the lines intersect in three space. What vector expression tells you two vectors are parallel (or anti-parallel)?
 
stunner5000pt said:
quick question do A and B have to have the same coordinates (x,y,z) or is that something you made up?
im thinking A and B should be distinct points like A = (x_{0},y_{0},z_{0}) and B=(x_{1},y_{1},z_{1})

or is that A and B having identical coords part of the question?

A and B are distinct points.
 
D H said:
This won't work. There is no reason the parameter for line A-B has the same value as the parameter for line C-D at the point of intersection. Case in point: A=(1,0,0), B=(2,0,0), C=(0,-2,0), D=(0,-1,0). The lines A-B and C-D obviously intersect at the origin with different parameters 't'.

You first have to determine if the lines intersect in three space. What vector expression tells you two vectors are parallel (or anti-parallel)?

To get a direction vector, I presume that I would use the equation
x = A_{x} + (B_{x}-A_{x})t
without the A_{x} and without the t. So, I would use
v = (B_{x}-A_{x})\hat{i}+ ...
This would tell me if they were parallel.

I'm still stuck, though, when it comes to finding a generalized expression for the point of intersection in three dimensions.
 
I was able to derive the answer for this. I used the two parametric vector equations:
v_{1} = (m_{1x}t_{1}+b_{1x})\hat{i}+ (m_{1y}t_{1}+b_{1y})\hat{j}+ (m_{1z}t_{1}+b_{1z})\hat{k}
v_{2} = (m_{2x}t_{2}+b_{2x})\hat{i}+ (m_{2y}t_{2}+b_{2y})\hat{j}+ (m_{2z}t_{2}+b_{2z})\hat{k}

And then normalize them by dividing each slope by the magnitude of all three slopes
M = \frac{1}{\sqrt{m_{x}^2+m_{y}^2+m_{z}^2}}
v_{1} = (\frac{m_{1x}}{M_{1}}t_{1}+b_{1x})\hat{i}+ (\frac{m_{1y}}{M_{1}}t_{1}+b_{1y})\hat{j}+ (\frac{m_{1z}}{M_{1}}t_{1}+b_{1z})\hat{k}
v_{2} = (\frac{m_{2x}}{M_{2}}t_{2}+b_{2x})\hat{i}+ (\frac{m_{2y}}{M_{2}}t_{2}+b_{2y})\hat{j}+ (\frac{m_{2z}}{M_{2}}t_{2}+b_{2z})\hat{k}

and then setting the various vector components equal

\frac{m_{1x}}{M_{1}}t_{1}+b_{1x} = \frac{m_{2x}}{M_{2}}t_{2}+b_{2x}
\frac{m_{1y}}{M_{1}}t_{1}+b_{1y} = \frac{m_{2y}}{M_{2}}t_{2}+b_{2y}
\frac{m_{1z}}{M_{1}}t_{1}+b_{1z} = \frac{m_{2z}}{M_{2}}t_{2}+b_{2z}

These equations can then be solved to find the point of intersection.
 
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