Introduction book to Differential Geometry

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for introductory books on differential geometry, particularly in the context of manifold theory. Participants explore various texts and their suitability for different backgrounds and goals, especially for those interested in physics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the books mentioned (Spivak and Munkres) do not cover differential geometry but rather focus on rigorous calculus.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for more information about the original poster's background and goals to provide suitable recommendations.
  • Another participant mentions that Lee's "Introduction to Smooth Manifolds" is highly regarded, though its suitability for physicists versus pure mathematicians is questioned.
  • Fecko's book is proposed as an alternative, noted for its practical exercises and its application to general relativity and gauge field theories.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity and rigor of Fecko's text, with mixed observations regarding its mathematical precision.
  • There is a suggestion that Spivak requires significant background knowledge, which may not be suitable for all readers.
  • The original poster clarifies their goal is to study physics, which some participants acknowledge as important context for recommendations.

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Participants express differing views on the suitability of various texts for learning differential geometry, with no consensus reached on which book is best for the original poster's needs. The discussion highlights multiple competing recommendations and perspectives.

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Participants note the importance of the original poster's mathematical background and goals in determining the appropriateness of the suggested texts. There are unresolved questions about the rigor and clarity of the recommended books.

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Readers interested in differential geometry, particularly those with a focus on physics or mathematics, may find the discussion and recommendations relevant.

Jianphys17
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Hello everyone, I've 2 books on manifolds theory in e-form:
1) Spivack, calculus on manifold
2) Munkres, analysis on manifold
What would be good to begin with? :oldconfused:
Thank you in advance
 
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1) Neither of those covers differential geometry. They only cover calc III made rigorous.
2) You need to give us way more information about you, your background, your goals, your (dis)likes,etc. if you want a good anwer.
 
No, I'm apologize the post title was wrong :sorry:. I meant the diff manifold book, which is better?
 
Munkres is a bit easier, and the exercises in Spivak are better.

If you own both, I'd recommend working through Spivak, and reading the parallel sections in Munkres when you need more explanation.
 
I have not studied it from front to cover and have nothing to compare with but Lee - introduction to smooth manifolds is considered to be a gem
 
malawi_glenn said:
I have not studied it from front to cover and have nothing to compare with but Lee - introduction to smooth manifolds is considered to be a gem
Yes but Lee's book isn't more for pure mathematicians, than physicist ? :olduhh:
 
Jianphys17 said:
Yes but Lee's book isn't more for pure mathematicians, than physicist ? :olduhh:

How are we supposed to give you suitable recommendations if you ignore our posts and tell us nothing about you, your background, your goals, your (dis)likes,etc.
 
Jianphys17 said:
Yes but Lee's book isn't more for pure mathematicians, than physicist ? :olduhh:

How about Fecko, then? Fecko has lots of examples given as short exercises.

George Jones said:
Another book worth looking at is Differential Geometry and Lie Groups for Physicists by Marian Fecko,
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521187966/?tag=pfamazon01-20

This book is not as rigorous as the books by Lee and Tu, but it more rigorous and comprehensive than the book by Schutz. Fecko treats linear connections and associated curvature, and connections and curvature for bundles. Consequently, Fecko can be used for a more in-depth treatment of the math underlying both GR and gauge field theories than traditionally is presented in physics courses.

Fecko has an unusual format. From its Preface,
A specific feature of this book is its strong emphasis on developing the general theory through a large number of simple exercises (more than a thousand of them), in which the reader analyzes "in a hands-on fashion" various details of a "theory" as well as plenty of concrete examples (the proof of the pudding is in the eating).

The book is reviewed at the Canadian Association of Physicists website,

http://www.cap.ca/BRMS/Reviews/Rev857_554.pdf.

From the review
There are no problems at the end of each chapter, but that's because by the time you reached the end of the chapter, you feel like you've done your homework already, proving or solving every little numbered exercise, of which there can be between one and half a dozen per page. Fortunately, each chapter ends with a summary and a list of relevant equations, with references back to the text. ...

A somewhat idiosyncratic flavour of this text is reflected in the numbering: there are no numbered equations, it's the exercises that are numbered, and referred to later.

Personal observations based on my limited experience with my copy of the book:

1) often very clear, but sometimes a bit unclear;
2) some examples of mathematical imprecision/looseness, but these examples are not more densely distributed than in, say, Nakahara;
3) the simple examples are often effective.
 
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If I remember correctly, Spivak require pretty much background knowledge of the subject.
 
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micromass said:
How are we supposed to give you suitable recommendations if you ignore our posts and tell us nothing about you, your background, your goals, your (dis)likes,etc.
My current math background includes analysis 1,2 and general topology!
 
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and your goal is physics?
 
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malawi_glenn said:
and your goal is physics?
Yes , sorry i should have put it, i forgot write it up!
 

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