Invariance of the Lorentz transform

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The discussion revolves around the invariance of the Lorentz transform and its application to the electromagnetic wave equation. Participants are exploring the properties of differential operators under Lorentz transformations, particularly focusing on the invariance of certain terms in the equations.

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  • Participants are attempting to prove the invariance of the electromagnetic wave equation by analyzing the differential operator. Some express confusion regarding the invariance of the x and t terms, noting an additional factor that arises in their calculations. Others suggest using the chain rule for differentiation and provide a method involving trial functions to clarify the process.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their approaches and clarifying their reasoning. Some have found success in their attempts, while others are still grappling with the concepts involved. There is a collaborative effort to refine understanding and explore different methods of differentiation.

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Participants mention the use of LaTeX for mathematical expressions and some express uncertainty about its application. There is an emphasis on the need for clarity in the differentiation process, particularly regarding the treatment of variables under Lorentz transformations.

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Homework Statement
Prove the invariance of the electromagnetic wave equation by showing that the corresponding differential operator is an invariant.
Relevant Equations
d^2/dx^2+d^2/dy^2+d^2/dz^2-1/c^2d^2/dt^2 = d^2/dx^2+d^2/dy^2+d^2/dz^2-1/c^2d^2/dt^2
of course y and z terms are invariant but for the x and t terms I am getting an additional factor of 1/1-v^2/c^2
 
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tina21 said:
Homework Statement: Prove the invariance of the electromagnetic wave equation by showing that the corresponding differential operator is an invariant.
Homework Equations: d^2/dx^2+d^2/dy^2+d^2/dz^2-1/c^2d^2/dt^2 = d^2/dx^2+d^2/dy^2+d^2/dz^2-1/c^2d^2/dt^2

of course y and z terms are invariant but for the x and t terms I am getting an additional factor of 1/1-v^2/c^2
Can you use Latex to show what you got?

https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/
 
I haven't used latex before. I hope these images are okay
 

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That doesn't look right. I prefer to differentiate a trial function. Imagine we have a function ##f(t', x')##, where ##t' = \gamma(t - vx/c^2), \ x' = \gamma(x - vt)##.

Now, we differentiate ##f## with respect to ##x## using the chain rule:

##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial f}{\partial t'}\frac{\partial t'}{\partial x} + \frac{\partial f}{\partial x'}\frac{\partial x'}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial f}{\partial t'}(-\gamma v/c^2) + \frac{\partial f}{\partial x'}(\gamma)##

Now you need to take the second derivative of ##f## by repeating this process - and remember that you have to differentiate both terms using the chain rule, so you will get cross terms in ##\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial t' \partial x'}##.

At the end, you can remove the trial function to leave, for example:

##\frac{\partial}{\partial x} = (-\gamma v/c^2)\frac{\partial }{\partial t'} + (\gamma)\frac{\partial}{\partial x'}##

That's what you get if you only wanted the first derivative.

Note that you can do the chain rule on differentials, but I prefer to have a function to differentiate, and then take the function away when I'm finished.
 
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yes, I tried doing it too. Made it a whole lot easier and I got the answer. Thanks so much !
 

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