Inverse functions and functions

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The discussion revolves around the concept of functions that are their own inverses, exploring whether it is possible to identify all such functions and the criteria that define them. Participants are examining the mathematical properties and definitions related to self-inverse functions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants are discussing the symmetry of functions about the line y=x as a necessary condition for a function to be its own inverse. They are questioning how to prove this symmetry and whether a complete set of self-inverse functions can be determined.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various functions being proposed as examples of self-inverse functions. Some participants express skepticism about the completeness of the identified set, while others suggest that the criteria for self-inverses may not allow for a definitive conclusion regarding all such functions.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the definitions and completeness of the set of self-inverse functions, with participants noting that certain presentations may not yield obvious proofs. The conversation includes references to specific functions and their properties, highlighting the complexity of the topic.

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Homework Statement



This isn't really a homework question, just a curiousity, but here goes.

Is it possible to find every function that is its own inverse? That is, can we find all functions that fit the definition

[tex]f(x) = f^{-1}(x) \forall x[/tex]

?

I can name two... f(x) = x and f(x) = x-1. Are there others? If not, can that fact be proven?
 
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Inverse functions can be thought of as a reflection about the line y=x, so start drawing
 
hunt_mat said:
Inverse functions can be thought of as a reflection about the line y=x, so start drawing

So, in other words, in order for a function to be its own inverse, it must be symmetrical about the line y=x. How can we prove this symmetry of a function?
 
Char. Limit said:
So, in other words, in order for a function to be its own inverse, it must be symmetrical about the line y=x. How can we prove this symmetry of a function?

It happens when y = f(x) and x = f(y). :-p
 
LCKurtz said:
It happens when y = f(x) and x = f(y). :-p

Considering that that just leads to a circular definition, I guess I can conclude that there is no known way to find all functions that fit this formula, or to prove that the set of the functions you have that fit the formula is complete?
 
Char. Limit said:
Considering that that just leads to a circular definition, I guess I can conclude that there is no known way to find all functions that fit this formula, or to prove that the set of the functions you have that fit the formula is complete?

Complete in what metric? Note that that set of functions isn't even closed under addition:

f(x) = x and g(x) = 1-x are both self-inverse but their sum is 1 which isn't even invertible.
 
LCKurtz said:
Complete in what metric? Note that that set of functions isn't even closed under addition:

f(x) = x and g(x) = 1-x are both self-inverse but their sum is 1 which isn't even invertible.

Oh I don't mean closed... I simply meant that given a set of functions that are self-inverse, it is likely not possible to prove that the set of functions contains EVERY function that is self-inverse.

Now I have four functions...

f(x)=a-x for constant a
f(x)=x
f(x)=1/x^n for n=2m-1 for positive integer m

And that's it really.
 
Char. Limit said:
Considering that that just leads to a circular definition
:confused: This doesn't make any sense.

I guess I can conclude that there is no known way to find all functions that fit this formula,
Depends what you mean by "find". I thought the solution given was satisfactory. *shrug*

Char. Limit said:
I simply meant that given a set of functions that are self-inverse, it is likely not possible to prove that the set of functions contains EVERY function that is self-inverse.
:confused: I suppose certain presentations of a set may not have an obvious proof, or may even be undecidable. However, in this very thread, we have not only presented a putative complete set, but have even sketched the proof that it is complete.

There is also the trivial presentation of a set that contains all self-inverse functions: let S be the set of all functions that are self-inverse. The proof that this is complete is also trivial. :wink:


f(x)=1/x^n for n=2m-1 for positive integer m
Er, composing that with itself gives you
f(f(x)) = xn2
 
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Char. Limit said:
Now I have four functions...

f(x)=a-x for constant a
f(x)=x
f(x)=1/x^n for n=2m-1 for positive integer m

And that's it really.
This also works:

[tex]f(x) = \left\{ \begin{array}{ll} -2x+3 & \textrm{if } x<1 \\ (3-x)/2 & \textrm{if } x \ge 1 \end{array} \right.[/tex]
 
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Char. Limit said:
Oh I don't mean closed... I simply meant that given a set of functions that are self-inverse, it is likely not possible to prove that the set of functions contains EVERY function that is self-inverse.

Ahhh, you didn't mean complete in the technical sense..

Now I have four functions...

f(x)=a-x for constant a
f(x)=x
f(x)=1/x^n for n=2m-1 for positive integer m

And that's it really.

Perhaps you didn't grok hunt_mat's original reply to you in post #2. Start drawing. There are lots of them.
 
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Char. Limit said:
So, in other words, in order for a function to be its own inverse, it must be symmetrical about the line y=x. How can we prove this symmetry of a function?

One additional thought for you. Think about a function defined as a set of ordered pairs. Then you could use this definition for a criterion:

A function f is its own inverse if and only if for every (a,b) ε f, (b,a) ε f.
 

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