Inverse Laplace Transform, can't use partial fractions

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order differential equation using the inverse Laplace transform. The equation presented is 3y''(t) + 2y'(t) + 5y(t) = 3, with initial conditions y'(0) = 1 and y(0) = 0. The original poster expresses difficulty in applying partial fraction decomposition due to the quadratic in the denominator lacking real roots.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the possibility of splitting the fraction in the Laplace transform result and question how to handle the inverse transform of the resulting expression. Some suggest using online solvers, while others emphasize the importance of understanding the underlying concepts without relying on such tools.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods to approach the inverse Laplace transform. There is a recognition of the complexity of the roots of the quadratic and how that affects the solution process. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of partial fractions, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraints of preparing for a final exam, which limits the use of online solvers and emphasizes the need for a deeper understanding of the material. The original poster's concern about the lack of real roots in the quadratic is a focal point of the discussion.

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Hi, this is my first post, and I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right place.

Homework Statement



I have a 2nd order diff. equation:
3y''(t) + 2y'(t) + 5y(t) = 3
with initial values: y'(0) = 1, y(0) = 0


Homework Equations


After using Laplace transform I get:

Y(s) = (3 + 3s) / (s*[3s2 +2s +5])

I believe it is correct, but even if it's not, what I'm interested in is how to solve this particular inverse laplace transform where I can't use partial fractions due to 3s2 +2s +5 not having any roots.

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm kind of stuck here, but maybe I could split the fraction like:

Y(s) = 3 / (s*[3s2 +2s +5]) + 3 / ([3s2 +2s +5])

but the problem would remain.

Thanks
 
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You could split it as

A/s + (Bs + C)/(3s2 + 2s + 5)
 
I would us an online solver such as WolframAlpha type in:

DSolve[{3y''[t]+2y'[t]+5y[t]==3,y'[0]==1,y[0]==0},y[t],t] and enter
 
Re-reading my post I think I didn't explain my problem correctly. My problem is in calculating the inverse transform of such rational function.
I could split it like that, but then I would have no idea on how to solve:
L-1[ (Bs + C)/(3s2 + 2s + 5) ]

Since I'm studying for a final exam, I really can't use a solver, but thanks.
 
Thanks for the clarification. Looking at the WolframAlpha solution can still be helpful. Their solution looks very similar to a homogeneous second order diff. eqn with complex roots. Might be a place to start.
 
_diego said:
Hi, this is my first post, and I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right place.

Homework Statement



I have a 2nd order diff. equation:
3y''(t) + 2y'(t) + 5y(t) = 3
with initial values: y'(0) = 1, y(0) = 0


Homework Equations


After using Laplace transform I get:

Y(s) = (3 + 3s) / (s*[3s2 +2s +5])

I believe it is correct, but even if it's not, what I'm interested in is how to solve this particular inverse laplace transform where I can't use partial fractions due to 3s2 +2s +5 not having any roots.

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm kind of stuck here, but maybe I could split the fraction like:

Y(s) = 3 / (s*[3s2 +2s +5]) + 3 / ([3s2 +2s +5])

but the problem would remain.

Thanks

Of course you can use partial fractions. The function 3s^2 + 2s + 5 has the form 3*(s-r1)*(s-r2), where r1 and r2 are the two roots of the quadratic; they are complex: r1 = -(1/3) + (1/3)*sqrt(14)*I and r2 = -(1/3) - (1/3)*sqrt(14)*I, where I = sqrt(-1). Then 1/[(s-r1)(s-r2)] = [1/(s-r1) - 1/(s-r2)]/(r1 - r2). The inverse Laplace transform of 1/(3s^2+2s+5) is [(1/3)/(r1-r2)]*[exp(r1*t) - exp(r2*t)] = (1/3)*exp(-t/3)*[(2i)sin(w*t)]/(2i*sqrt(14)/3) = (3/14)*exp(-t/3)*sin(wt), where w = sqrt(14)/3.

R.G. Vickson
 

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