Is a Contactor Suitable for High Power 3 Phase Transfer Switching?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the suitability of using a contactor for high power 3 phase transfer switching, specifically for switching main power to a generator during outages. The context includes design considerations for a transfer switch rated for 480VAC and 300A, exploring various options and potential challenges in the design process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the need to design a transfer switch instead of purchasing an Automatic Transfer Switch, suggesting that there are readily available options.
  • Another participant mentions the existence of static switches that can handle the required specifications, indicating an alternative to contactors.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of using interlocked systems to prevent both power sources from being connected simultaneously, discussing mechanical kits for larger contactors.
  • Concerns are raised about the generator's startup reliability and the implications for the transfer switch design.
  • One participant outlines a conceptual design involving a time delay relay and contactor setup, questioning the necessary voltage rating for the contactor.
  • Another participant expresses discomfort with the original poster's qualifications for handling high power and high voltage questions, suggesting that such inquiries should be approached with professional expertise.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to designing a transfer switch, with some advocating for contactors and others suggesting static switches or pre-made solutions. There is no consensus on the most suitable method or the qualifications necessary for discussing such high power applications.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding the design requirements, including the need for interlocking mechanisms and the reliability of generator startups. The discussion also reflects a range of expertise levels among participants, which may influence the validity of the proposed ideas.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to electrical engineers, technicians involved in power systems, and individuals exploring transfer switch designs for critical power applications.

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I am designing a transfer switch to switch main power to Generator when main power is lost. Main power is 3 phase, 480VAC and rated at 300amps. Is a contactor a good choice for this? I cannot seem to find one rated this high of power.
 
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I'm curious. Why design and not just purchase a Automatic Transfer Switch?

http://www.abrahamindustrial.com/buy/images/upload/thum/ASCO_Series_300.jpg

Anyway, just do a google search on "3 phase 300 amp contactors". There's a bunch.
 
There are also "static switches" that easily handle 300 A at 480VAC. They use SCRs and are commonly used in large UPS installations.

For instance, http://www.redoups.com/F24156/static_transfer_switches_singlethree_phase_251000amp.html

Cheers,
Bobbywhy
 
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Are you looking for a True Transfer Switch - these are typically interlocked (electrically or mechanically) so both sources are not connected at the some time ( I prefer mechanical because electricians LOVE manually pushing contactors closed - so think of manually pushing the Gen Contactors closed when the line contactor is being used - ugly)
So there are mechanical "kits" for some of the larger 3 phase contractors so that both units are not in the same device -

I just googled Surplus ATS and they pop right up

Typically Static Switches ( Thyrisotr / SCR ) are not needed (or are cost justified) due to start up time of Generators - but in critical loads this is sometimes done - can also help with the transfer back to the line(utility)
 
I have to "conceptually" design this for a work project and was looking for ideas prior to meeting on it.

Main voltage is 480VAC, 3 phase Wye with 300A maximum. The Emergency/Alternate Source is 480VAC, 3 phase wye Generator. I was thinking of connecting the Main Source to 3 phase, 4 pole contactor. When power is lost, contactor closes time delay relay which will close another contactor after time limit expires to send start signal to Generator. Does the Contactor need to be rated at 277V or 480? Am I even on the right track with my ideas?
 
What if the generator doesn't start?
 
I am working on transfer switch. I should not have said "send start signal to Generator". I guess it will close contacts in start circuit.
 
littleblackdo said:
I have to "conceptually" design this for a work project and was looking for ideas prior to meeting on it.

Main voltage is 480VAC, 3 phase Wye with 300A maximum. The Emergency/Alternate Source is 480VAC, 3 phase wye Generator. I was thinking of connecting the Main Source to 3 phase, 4 pole contactor. When power is lost, contactor closes time delay relay which will close another contactor after time limit expires to send start signal to Generator. Does the Contactor need to be rated at 277V or 480? Am I even on the right track with my ideas?

Why try to formulate a "conceptual design" in a vacuum? The protection of "critical loads" with an UPS and diesel generator is a mature technology and has developed over many decades. Hundreds of equipment suppliers and thousands of consultants can easliy answer all your questions.

Cheers,
Bobbywhy
 
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So, littleblackdo, I'm uncomfortable with your lack of professional EE knowledge and the powers involved in your "project". If you have been given this as a work assignment, you should have the professional EE qualifications to answer these questions on your own. Posting high power high voltage questions in a web forum is not a good thing, and is against the PF rules for a reason. This thread is closed.
 

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