Is boiling just high vapor pressure?

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Boiling occurs when a liquid's vapor pressure equals the external pressure, which can vary beyond just atmospheric pressure, such as in vacuum or distillation scenarios. However, for boiling to take place, it is essential that bubbles form within the liquid; simply having a high vapor pressure is not enough. Overheated liquids can evaporate without boiling, as they lack bubble formation. This distinction is crucial for understanding the boiling process. The conversation also touches on the nuances of definitions in physical chemistry, with references to external pressures and conditions like supercooling in relation to freezing points.
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Is boiling basically a really high vapor pressure?
 
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Not "really high" - just high enough.
 
From memory, boiling is the condition where the vapor pressure equals that of the atmospheric pressure.
 
Yanick said:
From memory, boiling is the condition where the vapor pressure equals that of the atmospheric pressure.

External pressure (which doesn't have to mean atmospheric - think vacuum, distillation, think steam engine boiler). But you are mostly right, that's the definition.
 
Not sufficient. Boiling also requires that bubbles must actually be initiated inside liquids. Overheated liquids do not boil even if they are rapidly evaporating from free surface.
 
snorkack said:
Not sufficient. Boiling also requires that bubbles must actually be initiated inside liquids. Overheated liquids do not boil even if they are rapidly evaporating from free surface.

How does it matter for the definition?
 
Borek said:
External pressure (which doesn't have to mean atmospheric - think vacuum, distillation, think steam engine boiler). But you are mostly right, that's the definition.

Yes you are correct, I should have been more specific. It is indeed the external pressure, atmospheric pressure being a specific case.

snorkack said:
Not sufficient. Boiling also requires that bubbles must actually be initiated inside liquids. Overheated liquids do not boil even if they are rapidly evaporating from free surface.

My P-Chem text and Wikipedia both disagree with you. I see what you are getting at, but then would you not consider the freezing point of pure water 0 degrees C because it can be supercooled?
 
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