Is Coulomb's Law the Correct Equation for This Calculation?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Coulomb's Law to a hypothetical scenario involving the electrostatic force between two individuals with a slight excess of electrons. The original poster is tasked with performing an order-of-magnitude calculation to evaluate a claim made by Richard Feynman regarding the force of repulsion between these individuals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the appropriate use of Coulomb's Law, questioning the assumptions about charge and distance. There are attempts to clarify how to estimate the number of excess electrons and the corresponding charge. Some participants suggest refining the distance used in calculations and converting charge units into Coulombs.

Discussion Status

The conversation is progressing with participants providing guidance on estimating the number of electrons and correcting misunderstandings about distance. There is acknowledgment of previous errors in calculations, and some participants are refining their approach based on feedback.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of accurately estimating the number of atoms in a human body and the implications of using different distances in the calculations. There is also a mention of the need to convert charge units properly, which has been identified as a source of error.

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Homework Statement


Nobel laureate Richard Feynman once said that if 2 persons stood at arm's length from each other and each person had 1% more electrons than protons, the force of repulsion between them would be enough to lift a "weight" equal to that of the entire Earth. Carry out an order-of-magnitude calculation to substantiate this assertion.


Homework Equations


F = k |q1||q2| / r2


The Attempt at a Solution


I had no idea to do this so i used Coulombs law with q1 = q1 = -e
I used -e because it said there's 1% more electrons so if there's 100 protons, there's 101 electroons and 100 of the electrons would cancel out the protons so the net charge is 1 electron (e). but then It didnt said anything about r so i just guessed and used r = 2 m and then again with r = 1.5m but i got an answer that was x 10^-28 and the answer is supposed to be ~1025

Am I even using the right equation??
 
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you're using the right equation, but you need to make a better guess on how many electrons each person will have - how much charge to use.

Try to find how many atoms or protons are in the average human body. Then use a charge equal to 1% of that value of protons. If you can only find atoms, use an educated guess as to how many protons a body has from that number of atoms.

googled for you:

"A 70 kg body would have approximately 7*1027 atoms. That is, 7 followed by 27 zeros:

7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000"

source: http://education.jlab.org/qa/mathatom_04.html (not too reputable but who cares. see if it gives you an appropriate answer)

So for you rcharge, use .01 * 7 * 1027 electrons

also, i measured my arm just now

with hand: ~85 cm
without hand: ~55cm

your distance is way too high

lol 2m = ~6ft. your arm is as tall as a person? :D
 
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Yeah okay I was thinking about that and that makes sense.

And yeah I misunderstood the question. I thought they meant each person was an arms length away so the total distance between them was 2 arms lengths so i used 2(0.75) and 2(1.0)

With that info, I got 6.10 x 10^61. Which is way too high
 
Did you convert the charge units into Coulombs?
 
Yeah that's where the problem was.

If I use # of electrons = 1.8 x 10^28, then take 1% of that, then multiply that by 1.602 x 10^-19 to convert to Coulombs, square that value, multiply by k, divide by r^2 (r = .85 m) and i get 1.03 x 10^25Thanks!
 

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