Is d(v2) the Best Form for Finding the Derivative for Energy?

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The discussion centers on the mathematical derivation of energy-related equations, specifically focusing on the derivative of velocity squared in relation to height. Participants confirm that the expression for the first derivative, dz²/d2h, is correct and clarify that it represents a first derivative, not a second. The conversation highlights the importance of proper variable representation, noting that using z² on the y-axis and 2h on the x-axis accurately depicts gravitational acceleration. The calculations align with theoretical values, confirming the approach's validity. Overall, the d(v²) form is deemed effective for deriving necessary results in this context.
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Homework Statement


1/2mz^2 +mgh=mgh-zero , get g

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z= velocity

z^2=g(2h0-2h)

if i set z^2=a
2h0=b (nonvariable)
2h=c

a=g(b-c)
y'=-g
Can i then say that

dz^2/d2h = -g

I wonder if every step is correct, The writing inbetween is not very important! I mostly wonder about the math. That if i do the substitution it actually work that way! x0 is not a variable!

dv^2/d2h feels like second derivate, but i use it as a first derivate or something, that was makes me clueless
 
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Dousin12 said:
dv^2/d2h feels like second derivate, but i use it as a first derivate or something, that was makes me clueless
No, it's a first derivative. A second derivative would have a power of 2 on the d itself (in the numerator).
It is correct, though you can take the 2 outside the 'd', in the denominator: ##\frac{d(v^2)}{2dh}##.
The d(v2) can also be simplified.
 
2v/2dh?

But y-axis has to be z^2 for it to show -g as a graph and not 2z hmmm

I was sortof proving that if y-axis is z^2 and x-axis 2h it will represent

Checked with theory numbers and it shows 9,81 excaltly so it works
 
Dousin12 said:
2v/2dh?

But y-axis has to be z^2 for it to show -g as a graph and not 2z hmmm

I was sortof proving that if y-axis is z^2 and x-axis 2h it will represent

Checked with theory numbers and it shows 9,81 excaltly so it works
If the d(v2) form gives you all you need, that's fine. But it can also be written as 2vdv, giving ##v\frac{dv}{dh}##.
 
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