Is it possible to have an empty intersection of a set and its subsets?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of sets and intervals, specifically examining the possibility of an empty intersection of a set and its subsets. The original poster questions the existence of the set [a,a) and its implications for defining a sequence of intervals In = [an,bn) that could lead to an empty intersection.

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  • Participants explore the definition and implications of the set [a,a) and its relation to the concept of empty sets. They discuss the conditions under which the intersection of nested intervals could be empty, questioning the necessity of distinct endpoints and the nature of closed versus open sets.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and raising questions about the definitions and properties of sets. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of closed sets and the implications of having empty intervals, but no consensus has been reached on the original poster's query.

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Participants note that the original problem may impose constraints on the definitions of the intervals, particularly regarding the endpoints and the nature of the sets involved. There is uncertainty about the conditions under which the intersection of the intervals could be empty.

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question about the set [a,a)

If S=[a,a) Can such a set exist? It implies that a is in S and not in S, which doesn't make sense, but it seems a problem I'm trying to do requires it to be considered empty.

The question is:

Let In = [an,bn) where

In+1 < In for all natural numbers n. [< denotes subset]

Give an example of those In for which the intersection of In (for all n) is empty.

I can't see any other way to construct an empty set.
 
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(a, a] would be the set of all x such that a < x <= a.

However, I think the question intends you to limit yourself to intervals whose endpoints are distinct.


Recall that when you take a nested intersection of nonempty closed sets, you never get the empty set. Since you're searching for behavior that is not demonstrated by closed sets, I would suggest focusing at the open end of your intervals, where they resemble closed sets the least.
 
Hi. Thanks for the response. Based on your definition [a,a) is indeed empty. Although I'm not sure why you think the question requires the endpoints to be distinct.

If every set In+1 is a subset of In, then the only way the intersection of In for all n is empty is if one of those sets is empty. To my eyes (which admittedly are stupid at times), the only set of the form [a,b) that is empty is when a=b (or b<a)
 
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I just learned that the set [a,a) is not a proper subset of itself. So if In=[a,a), In+1 can't satisfy In+1 < In.

Now I have no idea what's going on. If no In can be empty, how can the intersection of all In be empty in any case! HELP
 

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