Is System Stability of LTI System Proven?

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The discussion centers on the stability of a linear time-invariant (LTI) system defined by the equation y(t) = d/dt x(t). The initial proof presented claims the system is unstable based on the impulse response h(t) = δ'(t), which leads to an infinite integral, indicating non-integrability. Some participants argue that if the input x(t) is bounded, the output y(t) remains bounded, suggesting stability, while others counter that discontinuities in x(t) could lead to outputs like the Dirac delta function, which are unbounded. Ultimately, the consensus leans towards the system being unstable due to the nature of the impulse response and its implications on bounded input signals. The discussion highlights the complexities of proving stability in LTI systems, particularly with regard to impulse responses and input characteristics.
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Is the following system stable. If so how.

y(t)= \frac{d}{dt} x(t)I have tried the following proof but i think it is wrong.

PROOF:

  1. The System is LINEAR
  2. The system is time invariant

So on applying the stability criterion for LTI systems

ie . \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} h(t) dt < \infty --------- 1 For the above system h(t) = \delta^{&#039;}(t)

so on applying h(t) = \delta^{&#039;}(t) in eq. 1
\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} \delta^{&#039;}(t) dt = \delta(0)

So the system is not stable.
I think the above proof is way off the mark.
please provide the correct proof. thanks
 
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The system (BIBO) stable if the impulse response is absolutely integrable, that is,

\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} |h(t)| dt &lt; \infty

For the differentiator, we have (as you have found in your question)

h(t) = \delta (t)&#039;.

Since

\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} | \delta (t)&#039; | dt= \infty,

the system is not stable.The system is LTI as

\frac{d}{dt} (a_1x_1(t) + a_1x_1(t)) = a_1 \frac{d}{dt} x_1(t) + a_2 \frac{d}{dt} x_2(t) = a_1y_1(t) + a_2y_2(t)

and

\frac{d}{dt} x(t-\tau) = y(t-\tau).
 
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Thanks for your reply but i am trying to find if it is stable or not. i think my derivation is wrong.
 
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here let x(t) be input that is bounded. As you let t-> inifinity, y(t) remains real and bounded, therefore the system is Stable.

if we had y(t) = tx(t), then if t->infinity x(t) is still bounded, but it is being multiplied by a factor of infinity so your output y(t) -> infinity therefore is unstable.
 
@Larrytsai

you mentioned the following

Larrytsai said:
here let x(t) be input that is bounded. As you let t-> inifinity, y(t) remains real and bounded, therefore the system is Stable.

if we had y(t) = tx(t), then if t->infinity x(t) is still bounded, but it is being multiplied by a factor of infinity so your output y(t) -> infinity therefore is unstable.

where x(t) can be any input signal. You say that in the system that i have posted the system is stable since x(t) is stable but i find by intuition that this is not the case if the input signal has discontinuities. At the point of discontinuity the output would then be a DIRAC delta \delta(t) whose value is infinite at t = 0 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_delta_function" ). So by intuition the system is not stable.

The problem is I am unable to provide a rigorous proof to back my intuition. I believe my proof is wrong.

Any help would be appreciated. thanks!
 
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