Is the Electrostatic Motor Affected by Changes in Earth's Ionization?

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The discussion revolves around the potential effects of Earth's ionization on the operation of an electrostatic motor. Participants explore the relationship between the electrostatic field, solar ionization, and the motor's functionality during different times of the day. The conversation includes technical explanations and speculative ideas regarding energy extraction and system design.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the electrostatic field of the Earth changes from day to night due to varying solar ionization, questioning whether the motor would operate effectively at night.
  • Another participant challenges the concept of a static electrostatic field, arguing that energy extraction requires a changing field rather than a static one.
  • A different participant proposes a method to create a potential difference between a metal aerial and the ground, suggesting this could function as a capacitor and produce usable energy through a diode bridge and commutator system.
  • This participant also discusses the relationship between electric and magnetic forces, referencing various equations and principles from electromagnetic theory to support their claims.
  • Another reply emphasizes that the electric field appears largely static based on preliminary research, indicating a need for credible sources to support claims of dynamic behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the electrostatic field and its implications for the motor's operation. There is no consensus on whether the motor can function effectively at night or on the validity of the proposed energy extraction methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various scientific principles and equations, but there are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the electrostatic field and the need for credible sources to substantiate claims. The discussion remains open-ended with unresolved technical aspects.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring electrostatic motors, energy extraction methods, and the effects of environmental factors on electrical systems.

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Hello I wanted some feedback on the idea I have about this electrostatic motor. One thing not mentioned is that the electrostatic field of the Earth is changing from day to night because of the ionization from solar rays is stronger during the day. Yet I wonder if the motor would stilll run for most of the night.

Any thoughts about the other article I wrote "An Electromagnetic Generator System."?

The ideas are posted here:
http://mrchillersalternativeenergy.blogspot.com/
 
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mrchiller said:
Hello I wanted some feedback on the idea I have about this electrostatic motor. One thing not mentioned is that the electrostatic field of the Earth is changing from day to night because of the ionization from solar rays is stronger during the day. Yet I wonder if the motor would stilll run for most of the night.

Any thoughts about the other article I wrote "An Electromagnetic Generator System."?

The ideas are posted here:
http://mrchillersalternativeenergy.blogspot.com/

What do you mean by "electrostatic field of the Earth"? Is it a static field at any given time? You can only get cyclic energy out of a changing field, not a static field. Otherwise we could extract energy from gravity in a cyclic way...
 
If we create a potential difference between a metal aerial and ground this creates a capacitor out of the sky. Then by putting a diode bridge cross the aerial to ground which outputs to the commutator, the AC signals of the sky in resonance with the aeirial to ground system would output DC. We can create electric repulsion of the electrets by switching this potential via a commutator to keep the torque.

This is why I simplified the forces as force of electret <--- qE = (B^2)/mu_not --->magnetic force. The magnetic force comes from magnetic pressure*A ~ F where A = area. Magnetic pressure = [(B^2)/2mu_not]. This might be more accurate if: F=qE then the magnetic equivalent must be (Phi)*H or (Volts-second)*(Amps/meter).

Look up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_pressure
This is used when describing induction effects so it represents in this case the displacement current that creates the opposing electric field between the electret and the metal plates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_force
Also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faradays_law
where it talks about curlE = -dB/dt
then reference to this page and look at the radio wave diagram.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_waves
As you can see there is a Curl E per unit of time moving radially outward which creates -dB/dt in an aerial if in resonance. Because the electret is really a type of capacitor in itself so charge is transferred from the aerial via ~RF? AC energy to the electret motor.
 
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mrchiller said:
If we create a potential difference between a metal aerial and ground this creates a capacitor out of the sky. Then by putting a diode bridge cross the aerial to ground which outputs to the commutator, the AC signals of the sky in resonance with the aeirial to ground system would output DC. We can create electric repulsion of the electrets by switching this potential via a commutator to keep the torque.

This is why I simplified the forces as force of electret <--- qE = (B^2)/mu_not --->magnetic force. The magnetic force comes from magnetic pressure ~ F/A where A = area. Magnetic pressure = [(B^2)/mu_not](A). This might be more accurate if: F=qE then the magnetic equivalent must be (Phi)*H or (Volts-second)*(Amps/meter).

From my quick Google search and reading, the E field looks to be largely static. Nothing to rectify.

You need to provide some links to credible articles that indicate otherwise, or this thread will be closed.
 

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