Is this a valid parametrisation of a curve?

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The discussion revolves around the parametrization of the curve defined by the equation y² = 16x. Participants are exploring the implications of their chosen parameterization and the conditions under which it remains valid.

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  • Participants discuss the choice of parameter t and whether it can take both positive and negative values. There is a focus on the implications of the signs in the parametrization, particularly regarding the expression for y.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants questioning the necessity of including a "plus or minus" in the expression for y. Some guidance has been offered regarding the validity of the parameterization without the sign, but there is still exploration of the conditions under which t can vary.

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Participants are considering the constraints of the curve and the implications of the parameterization on the values of y and t. There is uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the original equation and its graphical representation.

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Hi, so I am learning how to parametrise curves.

For the curve y^2=16x, I have said let x=t^2. Then, we can say y^2=16t^2, so that we can take the root of this and get y=4t. What I wanted to ask was do we have to say "plus or minus" in front of the 4t, or do we just leave it as positive to get a valid parametrisation?

Thanks.
 
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rickonstark999 said:
Hi, so I am learning how to parametrise curves.

For the curve y^2=16x, I have said let x=t^2. Then, we can say y^2=16t^2, so that we can take the root of this and get y=4t. What I wanted to ask was do we have to say "plus or minus" in front of the 4t, or do we just leave it as positive to get a valid parametrisation?

Thanks.
The question to ask is what values can ##t## take?
 
rickonstark999 said:
Hi, so I am learning how to parametrise curves.

For the curve y^2=16x, I have said let x=t^2. Then, we can say y^2=16t^2, so that we can take the root of this and get y=4t. What I wanted to ask was do we have to say "plus or minus" in front of the 4t, or do we just leave it as positive to get a valid parametrisation?

Thanks.

Is ##y## allowed to be ##<0## along the curve? Is ##t < 0## allowed?
 
Ray Vickson said:
Is ##y## allowed to be ##<0## along the curve? Is ##t < 0## allowed?

I suppose so? The question doesn't specify so I am not sure.
 
rickonstark999 said:
I suppose so? The question doesn't specify so I am not sure.

How would you draw a graph of the relation ##x = \frac{1}{16} y^2##?
 
Ray Vickson said:
How would you draw a graph of the relation ##x = \frac{1}{16} y^2##?

You would have a sideways parabola where y can be any real number, but x cannot be below 0 because you are squaring.
 
rickonstark999 said:
You would have a sideways parabola where y can be any real number, but x cannot be below 0 because you are squaring.

OK, so now what does that tell you about ##t## in your parametrization?
 
Ray Vickson said:
OK, so now what does that tell you about ##t## in your parametrization?

From my parametrisations, t can be both positive and negative. Would you say that is correct?
 
rickonstark999 said:
Then, we can say y^2=16t^2, so that we can take the root of this and get y=4t.
No, that isn't right. If ##y^2 = 16t^2##, then ##y = \pm 4t##.
 
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Mark44 said:
No, that isn't right. If ##y^2 = 16t^2##, then ##y = \pm 4t##.

Thank you. That is what I was asking in the sentence after that.
 
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rickonstark999 said:
From my parametrisations, t can be both positive and negative. Would you say that is correct?

Mark44 said:
No, that isn't right. If ##y^2 = 16t^2##, then ##y = \pm 4t##.

rickonstark999 said:
Thank you. That is what I was asking in the sentence after that.

But @rickonstark999, you do understand that your first post above is correct and your parameterization ##x=t^2,~y=4t## with ##t## both positive and negative, ie ##-\infty < t < \infty## is a correct parameterization of your curve, right? You don't need any ##\pm## sign.
 
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