Exploring Order of Elements in Groups: Part (a) & (b)

In summary: It does not follow that G is non-cyclic and G \cong \mathbb{Z}_2 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_2 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_4.
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roam
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Homework Statement



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The Attempt at a Solution



For part (a), I think since the order of an element g is the smallest integer n such that gn=e, we will have:

8n mod 65 = 1 => n=4

64n mod 65 = 1 => n=2

14n mod 65 =1 => n=2

Am I right so far?

Now for part (b), what is it meant by an "isomorphic type"? And what do I need to do?
 
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It means, I believe the "type" of group that G is isomorphic to. Since G has 8 elements, it is, of course, isomorphic to a group of order [itex]8= 2^3[/itex]. What can you say about groups with exactly 8 elements. How many different "kinds" are there?
 
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HallsofIvy said:
It means, I believe the "type" of group that G is isomorphic to. Since G has 8 elements, it is, of course, isomorphic to a group of order [itex]8= 2^3[/itex]. What can you say about groups with exactly 8 elements. How many different "kinds" are there?

Do you mean the following direct products:

[tex]\mathbb{Z}_{2^3}[/tex]

[tex]\mathbb{Z}_{2^2} \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{2}[/tex]

[tex]\mathbb{Z}_{2} \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{2} \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{2}[/tex]

Is that right?
 
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roam said:
Do you mean the following direct products:

[tex]\mathbb{Z}_{2^3}[/tex]

[tex]\mathbb{Z}_{2^2} \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{2}[/tex]

[tex]\mathbb{Z}_{2} \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{2} \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{2}[/tex]

Is that right?
Yes. Now which of those is your G isomorphic to?
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Yes. Now which of those is your G isomorphic to?

G is a subgroup of U(65), not all of U(65). So I think

[tex]U(65) \cong U(5.13) \cong U(5) \oplus U(13) \cong \mathbb{Z}_4 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{12}[/tex]

But the problem is that none of the 3 groups in my previous post will then be isomorphic to [tex]\mathbb{Z}_4 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{12}[/tex]. E.g. since lcm(12,4)=12, [tex]\mathbb{Z}_4 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{12}[/tex] has elements of order 12, but [tex]\mathbb{Z}_{2^3}[/tex] has no elements of order 12. So they are not isomorphic.

So what is wrong? I'm confused... :confused:
 
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HallsofIvy, "by finding the isomorphic type" they mean write G as an external product of cyclic groups of prime power order.

So, G is an abelian group of order 8=23. The fundamental theorem of Finite Abelian Groups implies that either [tex]G \cong \mathbb{Z}_8[/tex] or [tex]\mathbb{Z}_4 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_2[/tex] or [tex]\mathbb{Z}_2 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_2 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_2[/tex].

From my work in part (a) I know that G has 2 distinct subgroups of order 2: [tex]\left\langle14 \right\rangle = \{ 1,14 \}[/tex] and [tex]\left\langle 64 \right\rangle= \{ 1,64 \}[/tex], and one subgroup of order 4: [tex]\left\langle 8 \right\rangle = \{ 1,8,57,64 \}[/tex].

Does it follow that G is non-cyclic and [tex]G \cong \mathbb{Z}_2 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_2 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_4[/tex]? :rolleyes:
 

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